Coming to you from the studios at the Illinois Rock and Roll Museum on Route 66, it's the Rock and Roll Chicago podcast. Hey everybody, it's Ray the Roadie. This here is Hollywood Mike.

How are you doing? I'm doing good, how are you doing? I'm doing pretty good. What's new and exciting? Um, you know, really not much today. No? No, I can't, you know, it's just another Wednesday.

That's it, huh? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, me too. It's nothing, nothing special.

Weather's nice. Yeah, I guess so. I just, I've been pretty much just living for this, for this little show that we do here in the evening.

That's all I do. I live for the show. That's all I do.

I do nothing else in my life. Just this show. This is it.

So if the rest of our evening goes to shit, it's their fault. That's right. That's right.

Blame it on the metal. We live, we live. I feel like I'm at home now.

Yeah, I dragged him out. He could have just been at home. It's like, hey, I gotta stay at home with the wife and kids for this.

Come on. So those people you're hearing in the background, you have no idea who they are. That makes four of us.

There are a couple of guys from Salvation. How you doing, guys? Awesome. Awesome.

Why don't you introduce yourselves? Let the people know who you are. Right on. Well, my name is Brent Sullivan, probably the mastermind of this craft.

And you? A.K.A. Mr. Salvation. Yes, Salvation, yeah. My name is Kevin Truell.

And yeah, I was lucky enough to sneak in on one tune. I'm sorry. I should have said I was Brent Sullivan from Salvation.

Should have announced my name there. So you were able to sneak in on one tune? That is correct, sir. That's right.

So all right. And he brought you along with because, you know. Well, he I guess he wants to keep doing a little bit more of the kind of stuff that we did.

Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, I grabbed him out of hibernation, I should say, but right, right? Yeah, he did. There's a lot of mothballs, you know, to get me back into function here.

It's been a couple of decades. So long story. It's a story in itself.

Well, let's let's go back there because, you know, I started looking at your, you know, your bio on the websites and stuff like that. And you've been around for like about 30 years or something like that in the metal scene in the Chicagoland area. 40 years, probably.

40 years, yeah. Well, take us all the way back. You're being very kind.

Let me guess. He is a kind man. Did it start somewhere around the Thirsty Well or where? Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Where does it all begin for you? Well, I mean, I think it's worth talking about would be Slaughter X Troyes was the first band I was in for, I guess, probably since I was 18. I mean, without getting the whole story, that band has changed names for the first two years of that.

But it went on for like eight years. Wow. And pretty successful with that.

I mean, later on, you know, when we regrouped at about 2004 or something like that, we ended up going out to Greece and, you know, Germany and all that stuff. It was cool. It was there.

We were in a reunion. They called us up. Hey, come out and play.

I'm like, that's awesome. Let's do it. Right, right.

Define success. Was it just local success, national success? How did how how does that go? Well, back we were we were turned down by a lot of metal labels, because if you're familiar with Slaughter X Troyes, it was a pretty weird band. I mean, it was more extreme than like Myrtle's Fate was and all that stuff.

But, you know, it was very tactical. But there was this voice of Slaughter X Troyes. I mean, Myrtle's Fate.

Sorry, I think they just weren't like we weren't looking for it. But overseas, they loved it. Right.

20 years later, they're like, hey, we love your stuff, man. Come on, play in a band anymore. 30 years later, then we got we did a reunion.

They contacted right away before we were ready to practice yet. So it was kind of cool. Wow.

So, yeah, it was a lifelong dream to do that. Can't complain. So did you guys release any albums that that over in Europe or what did they find out about you? Well, that band in 85, we printed 500 albums at that time was vinyl.

Right. Of Winterkill. And we did another album later about like 89 called Free the Beast, but it never came to fruition.

It was about when the band broke up and a band called or a record label called K Classic Records picked it up and then they took all the demos and stuff, kind of redid them and put it out and called it Free the Beast and put a second album out. So after that time, somewhere they just kept circulating, circulating out there. So they picked up on it and dug it.

All from about 500 copies. Yeah. I mean, if you look on eBay now, they're like going for like 1500 bucks now.

It's crazy. If you have the original copy, it's already been re-released and also just re-released last year through Lone Records. They kind of picked up a few of my bands, Winterkill and Mind Warp Chamber.

OK. And they all put it out there. So I like scramble and grab all the stuff and redo the album covers and everything and do it again.

Right, right. What came what came first with the success in Europe? Was it did somebody hear the album out there or did somebody book a show for you out there? And you guys went and start playing. Apparently they've been the weirdest thing when I went out there and we played in Greece.

The one moment I remember is I had all these people coming up and they have demos from stuff I don't even have anymore. I mean, they just had tons of stuff they wanted me to sign from everything I've done. I'm like, where did you get that stuff? Because I was like, I want that, man.

Yeah, it was an awesome experience, but very crazy. And they were singing all our lyrics. I mean, there's a video of it from the first wasn't keep it true, but it doesn't matter.

But there's also videos on YouTube on it. And they're like singing all our lyrics to all the songs. It was pretty surreal.

Right. So, you know, to think that some underground band. Right.

This goes out there, but they love that stuff. They love American metal. And, you know, that was a great time in my life.

You know, that's always something that I never quite understood or was able to wrap my head around is that there's a lot of American metal bands that do extremely well in Europe. And I don't think that people here in the US that love metal understand what the metal scene is like in Europe. They don't.

They really don't. They love it. They love it out there.

They do. They absolutely love it. Best fans in the world.

It's almost like it's almost like its own industrial genre in a way. You know, it's it's it's it's it's it's it seems like it's the same group of people everywhere you go. And they know bands that nobody else has ever heard of because they just live, breathe metal.

They just absolutely freaking love it. I remember my singer. I won't mention his name, but he was he thought he was going to get laid.

He's going to be a rock star. But the funny thing is, is all the Greek women out there, they don't care. They come up to you and they already they don't care.

They care about the music. They don't care about what you look like, what you who you are. Right, right, right.

He's trying to get laid. I'm like, yeah, they don't care, man. Yeah, you're trying to they want you to sign the album, Jill, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Back in the 80s, there was, you know, the J.R. record stores that you'd find in almost every shopping mall. And I think Musicland was in a bunch of shopping malls and stuff. And there was always that one section in those record stores where, you know, they call them the imports, you know, is the import section.

And you're going through the import section and you're looking at the labels and everything and you're looking at the backs of these things. Right. And it's record companies from Germany and Switzerland was another place that they'd come from, Norway and all this.

But then who was it? It was like, what's this? Queensryche. What's this? Queensryche. Queensryche.

They're from here. What's this, you know? But that was exactly it. They get different recordings and send them to different, you know, you know, different studios over in Europe and print albums and then send them back over here.

That was that was the crazy thing about about it. Oh, yeah, they love it. They love it.

Oh, yeah, it is. Definitely. Yeah.

So, you know, a lot of the stuff was, you know, things like, you know, let's put 10 songs on an album. Yeah. But I like these three as well.

You know, and the record company says, well, no, we only have room for 10. So what would they do? They take those three and they'd sell them to some, you know, record company in Europe and it would come back as an import. Yeah, absolutely brilliant.

So so did you always have the same group of people working with you? You know, tell us how that goes. It's no, no, no, no. I mean, man, if we're not really here to talk about my past, I guess I get 40 years of fucking music.

But, you know, you know, musicians. I mean, Slaughter Extraeus, two of the guys in there already passed away, which is a shame. The singer and the drummer.

And the only one left is Paul Kraki, which is a guitar player. And I went on to Winner Kill and then Mind Warp Chamber. And then she's a band called NDX.

So I've been doing a lot of stuff throughout the years. Right. So but then I guess the reason I'm here is because my solo album.

OK. All right. Well, tell us about it.

Oh, a longtime dream. I've always wanted to just kind of do my own thing. I guess it's probably my I don't know.

I just I wanted just to have it. Everything I did was all me for whatever reasons. I just because I didn't want to have any outside interference to see what I can do.

And it was like something I've been trying to do for the last 30 years. Start my started doing the last eight years. It started out.

I really wanted to have it. We're going to have one singer called he was Steve Reimer. He was in Slaughter Extortionist in the second half of the time.

After the lead singer died, we went to Greece. Steve Reimer sang for us live out there. He was on two of the songs on the last two songs.

And he was going to do the whole album. But he just couldn't find the time to do the whole album. So long story short, I ended up just going to come up with this idea.

I'm just going to get a bunch of cool local singers that I know. I dig in throughout and just see if they want to interested in trying to do this stuff. So I did.

And I found a handful. I couldn't find anybody who wanted to do the whole album. But, you know, a few songs here and there.

And then I just went I went one step further. And so I'm going to get some guitar players, lead guitar players, Atlanta, too. So that's kind of where it all just turned out.

I think it kind of confused people because they're like 16 members. And, you know, and I'm with him in the moment. I, you know, I got Tim Ripper Owens on there from KK Priest.

And yeah, you know, I saw a post on Facebook. He's like, you know, I'm in between tours. You know, anybody want to do a shot? I'm an email.

He was like, cool. And we worked it out. So I'm a tune.

He's as long as you write the lyrics and everything. I'm cool. So we sent it out.

And Bill Swanson, a buddy of mine, helped me out with the lyrics because I was really sick at that time. Because he's like, yeah, just try to sing it. No, I'll interpret it however I want.

I'm like, well, I can't even sing anything. So Bill kind of came on, help me out, help me with a few lyrics. And we sent it out to him.

And he did a great job. So that's kind of where that was going forward. I'm trying to make this more of a band.

Everybody's going to go on. What's Brent Sullivan Salvation? What does this mean? I didn't really call it Brent Sullivan solo project because there's a country artist called Brent Sullivan. And there's some other artists called Brent Sullivan.

It didn't make any sense to me. I really want to try to make it a band outfit, just in case, for some reason, if people dug it, I can make something out of it. You know, right.

And going forward, I narrowed it down to a couple of guitar players are already on the album from the last one. They're exclusively going to be on it. My man here, he sang on the first song, the one.

And he's going to do the rest of them for next. I'm not printing any more CDs because it doesn't seem like it's a thing now. I mean, it's all digital.

I printed 500 CDs. I got half left. I mean, it's all happened.

But I was like, well, just dream it, man. Yeah. Yeah.

That's pretty much what everybody's doing nowadays. Yeah. And it kind of sucks.

It's bad for the musician because they don't make any money off it. Well, that's why you're paying 300 bucks for a ticket nowadays. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's great. Or, you know, $60 for a T-shirt. And then, you know, the clubs or whatever, take half of that anyway.

Right. Right. The bands used to tour to support the album that they just released.

Now it's not they're touring to make money. Right. Yeah.

It's tough out there to be a musician. I'm old, man. I'm just I'm doing it for me.

It was a it was a bucket list thing. And I had to have an actual disc. You don't say, yeah, you got to.

I didn't care if I had like a couple of boxes left over for the rest of my life. But yeah. Now we talk about all the time on the show that, you know, the, you know, the younger generation today, they don't know what it's like to have a listening party.

You know, back in the days, you know, your favorite band came out with a new album. Somebody went and bought the album. And you all gathered in one bedroom and drink coke and smoke weed.

And you listen to the album. You pass the album cover around. Everybody got to read the liner notes and the whole.

Yeah. And then you just, you know, all afternoon, you're listening to this record. I used to love that.

I hate I missed that. Where you I would always buy the CD. Even I don't know.

I did screw up all the lyrics on the fucking album. So it's a lot of type. It was a last minute thing.

And I had, you know, all these singers sending me lyrics. And it's kind of funny, small, short, you know, short story short or short story short. Sorry.

But they were complaining about all the typos in it. You know, it was the last thing. It was a copy and paste and putting them on there because I was doing the artwork.

I was doing the mixing and mastering and everything. One stop shop here. Yeah.

And then, you know, they're all saying, I mean, it was like revisions of all the vocals. So I just copy a place, put it, try to put them in, fit them in the art line of work. And so there was some typos and I was supposed to check it later than I ever did.

And I sent out the print. Right. And the first review I got, they're like, no, American education.

But come on, that was not the reason. But yeah, it don't matter. You know, it's like 500 copies.

You know, it's metal, man. Come on. So was that the first time you ever worked with Tim Ripper? Ripper Owens? It was.

Yeah, it was. No kid. How'd you how'd you meet him? And just I mean, just.

I didn't meet a man was just it was reached out to him. You know, I send the music out to him and he records in his home and he sends it back to me. You know, that simple.

That was all it. And then I was kind of not going to lie. I kind of hope, you know, for the money I paid him, I kind of thought he was going to like, you know, help promote it a little bit.

Put up another 500,000 CDs. Yeah. But it was zero, man.

She was like, you know, such a thing. Like, hey, I got it. I was like, cool.

Like, all right. Well, all right. Done.

Not worth the money, but. No, but he did a great job. It's cool.

I'm glad he was on there. And I'm happy to have my share. And who are some of the other singers you had with you? So Kevin Trull, obviously, in the first one, saying one caught on the on the album.

Yeah, I was the one. Yeah, the first. And it was it was called the one.

The one. Yeah. That was also the name of the song.

OK, all right. Yeah, it was called a couple of things. But yeah, the one turned out to be that.

And and what's what's that song like? Well, basically, the working title originally was My Fist, Your Blood. Yeah, it was. And I was like, I'll see what I can do about that.

I think I like that a lot more. Yeah, you knew the story about it earlier. No doubt.

Well, that's why we're here. So I'll let him explain. Well, in a nutshell, I mean, I became a Christian.

OK, I was in a couple of bands back in the mid 80s. And, you know, there's most of the activity that I have under my belt all came from the same band, Transformations, et cetera. But yeah, initially it was Transgressor, which if I were in a jacket, we were friends back then and we they played a lot with us with Slaughter Extroius.

They were both playing the band. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's where Brett and I met.

Actually, Jerry Klein got us acquainted with you guys. And Jerry Klein used to jam with you. Was it White Witch? Yeah, it was the beginning of Slaughter Extroius.

The beginning of Slaughter Extroius. So he was doing our sound. So I have a tendency to digress.

Sorry, guys. I'll get back on. Yeah, we all do.

I'm not using these podcasts. I'm talking about my answer. But the bottom line is, you know, we were kind of a kind of a mainstream sounding band.

We ended up. We kind of quit and reformed as Firestorm. Well, I mean, Danny from Elektra said we were kind of mainstream.

So I was straightforward. Right. But, you know, these guys were super progressive by comparison.

But in a nutshell, we ended up becoming Shredders of the Week, Railers of the Month and then on Sideband of the Year on Z-Rock. Oh, OK. So things were, you know, starting to, you know, kick for us.

Right. But, you know, there was, you know, drugs and, you know, there was all sorts of rock and roll things and what have you. In the 80s? Come on.

Hard to believe. In a metal band? Get out of here. I told those guys.

I told them to stop doing it. Those warehouse parties were awesome. Oh, yeah.

So but anyway, you know, time goes on and, you know, I've raised a family and all this other stuff. I've become a Christian and then Hawk, the lead guitarist from, you know, Transgressor, become Firestorm, become now Scepter. Out of nowhere, you know, he's going to play lead guitar for a band I'm putting together for my brother's bachelor party.

And he's like, hey, you want to record some of the old tunes? And I was like, well, sure. I go, but here's the catch, you know, and it wasn't, you know, Satan worship or anything like that. It really wasn't that at all.

But just, you know, it was, you know, Satan, you know, he's getting, you know, he's getting some of your time, you know, and it's like, you know, every other word in some of the lyrics and, you know, I kind of exercised the lyrics. And that was not met with a lot of agreement from the old crowd. So, you know, your reaction was like, that sounds, you know, that sounds cooler.

It's like, yeah. I was like, but hey, listen, you know, there's all kinds of violent stuff in the Bible. So let's, let's try it.

That's how we work together. Yeah. I was like a little worried about it because I'm not like, I'm not a very religious guy.

I'm not, I don't, you know, I'm not like Satan worship or anything, but I'd like, well, can you make it metal? It's the devil's music. Let's be honest. Well, so they say.

Yeah, but, but I mean, you know, look at Striper. It's safe to say basically all the music is the devil's. But it's the Lucifer is created by God.

Basically, he was music. Dude, he's got me and I'm like all in this like revelations thing now. I'm like, dude, we can make a whole new album with this concept about revelations and everything.

And this is, it could be heavy as hell. So, I mean, there's a lot of cool stuff with it. Yeah.

Yeah. There's tons of imagery that really lend themselves to, you know, to metal in scripture. So sure.

But anyway. Yeah. So, but, uh, that's kind of how he got in and, you know, that's why I got him into it.

So, so have you forgotten where we were going with this? Probably. Wow. I feel like I'm at home.

Yeah. What was the question? How does that, how does that lead us to your blood? I'm looking at Sam. You guys know the story of Samson, right? Yep.

You sure do. I was looking at Samson and I ended up with about 27 pages of lyrics. I'm like, where is this going? So I kind of condensed that.

And the only real reference to Samson is judges and Kings would be sent as a stench of their wickedness darken the days. Still an answers question though. So I'll answer your question real quick.

Okay. What I do usually when I, when I write songs is, uh, you know, I'll name them some, something out of my head, you know, for whatever it doesn't matter what, you know, everything I've named, all the songs have all changed with the different singers. So my, here's my song, Fist No Blood, but I don't, I don't have any lyrics for it.

So call that what you want. So that's kind of where it was going, but. So who, so who wrote the lyrics? I did.

He did. You wrote the lyrics. Yeah.

I left, I left the lyrics to lots of the vocalists. Okay. You know, except for a couple of tunes, you know, Timber Browns.

I wrote most of the lyrics to that and Bill Swanson helped me with that. And then, uh, and then, uh, We Come In Peace. I wrote the lyrics to that.

And then I had the rest of the singers, uh, wrote all the stuff. Wrote all the lyrics. Okay.

Gave them kind of poetic license. Yeah. I needed, I needed a break because I was doing everything else.

You did all the music for it. I did all the music, lyrics, or I'm sorry, uh, music, the bass, the guitars, the keyboards, the mixing, the mastering, everything. So what a slacker.

So you take this song, you started with the title and then you just put your own words to it. Or was there something to kind of go off of? Well, I mean, again, it was kind of based off scripture. Okay.

And I was just, I told him just make it heavy. Yeah. Yeah.

So that was, you know, if you, if you listen, in fact, Brent is just finishing the video now. It's a lyric video. Yeah.

Okay. So, but you know. Yeah.

I'll actually have that before you guys do that. I'm going to send it to me on Monday and it'll probably be kind of cool. So it's easier.

Right. It's going to be the, uh, the new video for the one. Mm hmm.

So with so many different musicians and so many different singers and everything on the album is there, can you say that there's some type of a common thread that runs through the entire recording or is it just completely different? It started. I'm, I'm pretty political. So it's got a lot of political undertones on it, at least for what I was starting to do with it as whether everybody else followed along.

I mean, you know, like, um, Toronto publicity, he did a great job. He sang in three of the songs. He's not a great singer.

And he, he writes hooks like all day long. He don't follow my, my same politics. So I just let him do what he wants to do.

You know, when we come in peace comes in, you know, in, uh, um, screaming and silence is a little bit more political. Okay. Um, and, uh, Sucker Punch is political too.

It was, uh, Scott Huffman. Uh, he was in, uh, Mind Warp Chamber, uh, did an awesome job too. So, but it, you know, it kind of weaves in, it was kind of where I was going with it was if you look at the, the, uh, the album cover, it's kind of like the, the end of days.

That's why it's called, you know, the beginning of the end. And some people kind of reference if that's the beginning of my career too. So it wasn't kind of, it was kind of like my final hurrah, but it's not, it's not, I probably got one more in me, but, um, that was kind of, you know, that was kind of the, the intention of the whole album, but it just drifted off a little bit on other, you know, the religious part of it.

Um, the last song on her is the desolation of abomination, which is also really, I don't really just think so. Right. Right.

Right. Uh, so what's your favorite cut on the album so far? Do you have a favorite? Man, I gotta say the one he's on. No, I think actually, I think probably one of my favorite songs is probably We Become.

Okay. It's just, it seems to be a favorite of a lot of people. There's just so much going on with that song.

Tron sings on that one and, uh, yeah, he's just cool too. What's it about? I have no idea. Very mysterious.

There's screaming and there's a loud guitar. All I can say is musically, it's very cool, but the lyrics, I don't know, man. I mean, you know, Tron writes a lot of the, you know, in read between the lines thing, which I do too.

And, uh, and I'm like, sometimes I really lose lyrics. I'm going, I still don't know how I'm going to do this video for this thing. I don't know if I even do one for that, but you know, uh, I did one for, uh, uh, what you don't know.

And I didn't know what the hell he was thinking about. I kind of just interpreted what he was saying and made a video out of it. So whether it makes sense or not, he approved, he said it was cool video.

So, right, right. So, so where, where can people find the album if they want to? Well, I mean, if you like streaming, you could find it everywhere. Okay.

If you want an actual copy while they're still available, you can find them at Salvation, which is S U L L V A T I O N dot bandcamp.com. All right. Is there any, uh, any plans to perform this live anywhere, or is it just, I would love it. I, I tell you what, now that this is done and we're working on a second one and I got kind of the guys, the main guys are going to work on it.

He's going to sing the rest of it. I got the two lead guitar players. Uh, and I got the drummer that's going to do the next one.

So it's kind of a band, but it's something that we haven't like said, Hey, we're going to go out and play. But right, right. If you were to ask me, I'd love that to happen.

But sure. Will it? I don't know. I got, I'm going to kind of just go where it's, you know, right now.

I mean, it's been, it's been out three months. It's getting a good, good response, but it still takes time. I'm, I'm still nobody.

So, yeah, I mean, I mean, I got like one or two reviews and I spent a lot of money in promotion. I'm kind of going, where's my reviews at, but I'm thinking it probably takes time for the, cause I got a million bands out there trying to review people, but. Oh, definitely.

So, uh, yeah, I'm just going to see what the reaction is. And, uh, you know, by next year, I think I should know. And if it comes to that, I'm like, Hey, you guys want to try and, or if he says, Hey, you want to go and play Greece again or Germany? I'll be like, Hey guys, we've got to get together.

Let's see. January in Chicago, lugging gear or Greece. Yeah, exactly right.

Well, you know, if it's Chicago, I'm not going to really start a band and go out and play in Chicago for, you know, a few shows. It's gotta be, it's gotta mean something. I mean, Chicago was just flooded with, um, tribute bands and all this crap, but.

Unfortunately, I mean, which is fine. It's just not my thing. And it's all the same, same fucking tribute bands.

Yeah. Yeah. I hate to say it.

You know, it's, you're, you're exactly right. There's not a lot of places in the Chicagoland area where they're going to say, yeah, bring a metal band down and play all original metal band. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They're just, there's just not a lot.

Well, there is the, well, yeah. Absolutely. And it'd be great.

Yeah. Yeah. The forge, the forge would be a great spot, but there isn't a lot.

Like I go to places like, you know, pretty regularly. I go to places like the twin cities. I go to Minnesota.

There's a club on every corner that would, that would have that. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So no, that'd be interesting to see if you guys can take it someplace.

And, uh, you know, I would love that's what you need. I'm turning 59 cheese in two weeks. So, uh, you know, I'm getting old man.

I wouldn't go, uh, would I go on tour? Someone said, Hey, I'm going on a small tour for three months. Yeah. I would do it.

Sure. But I'm not at the touring age where I'd be like, you know, I'm not hopping in the van, eating cheese sandwiches. And, uh, yeah, those are days are over.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe two weeks at a clip.

Oh, I would be all over. Yeah. You know, someone said, Hey, you want to go tour the, uh, European fast? Like, you know, whacking and all that stuff.

Yeah. I'd be all over that, man. But yeah, you know, get in the van and, um, touring little clubs, you know, all through the U S no.

Yeah. So you said you were, you're working on a second album now? Yeah. We already got a couple songs in the works.

Okay. The one we're working on now, hopefully we'll have that out. I'm open early next year and we're trying to do a full video of it.

Finally is the only, I hate lyric videos, but you know, it's so hard when you've got like a bunch of members trying to go, Hey, you want to do a video? Man, I ain't got time. You know, cause they're not in the band. It's not, they don't have nothing invested in.

I get it. And I appreciate all the guys. I mean, all the guys that are, you know, out of the love of the music that I didn't pay to pay these guys.

And they did it, you know, they like me, I guess. So they came on dead and I love you, man. And I appreciate this so much.

So, I mean, besides for Tim, I didn't pay these guys and they all did out of the love of music and I couldn't, couldn't have done without them. I could have, I could have sang it and it would have been a whole different album. It'd probably be a lot heavier.

And my singing, they always say it was like a little bit more Gene Simmons meets machine ed, you know, so it would have been a very different album. Right, right. So where can people find you if they're looking for you? Any streaming service.

It's on every possible streaming service is distributed through a CD baby. So they, you know, any old space, they put on all the streaming services, the physical product, like I said, it's salvation.bank.com. They can stop by a salvation, you know, facebook.com slash salvation music. And that's, that's about it, man.

Yeah. I mean, until, until we go further and if some label wants to pick me up, I don't know, man. Yeah.

Well, we go, our, our second biggest audience of this podcast is India. You really? So maybe, maybe somebody in India. You know what, I'll tell you what, because there's a lot of fans on Brazil, actually, that, you know, as I'm watching my Spotify numbers and stuff, I mean, you know, overseas, Germany, Finland, Switzerland.

I mean, I've got a lot of good numbers out there. You know, us is okay. But you know, the music that I kind of do is, is much more European driven unless, you know, I'm playing a four chord rock.

You know, I don't know. The us just seems to be so simplistic. They just, they just want to say crap all the time.

I don't know what it is, but I, I can write that all day long, but I just don't want to know who, you know, who wants to know. Yeah. I mean, and you don't really need, you don't really need a producer or a record company to do the stuff that you want to do nowadays with the internet.

Thank God. Oh yeah. That's probably why I never became famous.

All the years I've been doing this, I just, I refuse to like go down that mainstream road. Right. You know what I mean? You know, the Motley Crue and all that stuff.

I just didn't want to do it. Who wants to hear that beat all day long? Well, everybody in the US. I got, I got a buddy of mine.

He's a, he's a rapper. And you know, in two days he got like 40,000 views. I'm like, geez, I might just go do rap.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, who knows? Well, this is gonna be a first, first time we're interviewing somebody.

I'm not going to say, so you got any gigs coming up yet, right? Yeah. Well, our gig is maybe in 2025 and it'll be over in Greece. Yeah.

I don't know. Yeah. Well, good luck at that.

Well, there you go. Party plane over to Greece. I will say there is a talk.

If, if anybody's interested in the band Slaughter Extroius, we were talking about doing a reunion, reunion maybe next August, but that's still in the works and we'll see what happens. But if maybe I make this a band and we'll do the show too. So yeah, anything's possible.

It's really so up in air right now. Yeah. There's a lot of possibilities there.

I mean, my main goal was just to put on a, you know, just a solo album. I just really wanted to do it for my own bucket list thing, you know? Also, here's the thing. Everybody listening to this.

And if you're interested, you know, go download the album. Yeah. Take a listen to it.

Right. You know how to find them. Send them an email.

Let them know. Yeah. Let them know.

If you want to collect yourself, I'll tell you what, Slaughter Extroius, that album's like $1,500 right now. Maybe you get this 20 years later. My CD might be worth like $20.

Double your money. Yeah. Yeah.

So anybody listening out there yet? Yeah. Get their CD. Because I'm not paying no more.

I mean, it's only $500. If everybody downloads the album, it'll go aluminum. It will.

It will. And then just let us know on our Facebook page or email us and let us know what you think. Well, you only need like 10 million streams to get like 100 bucks.

So you're all good. Yeah, that's great. Well, all righty, guys.

Thanks for coming out. That was quite interesting. Well, thank you very much, man.

Thanks for having us. I do appreciate it, man. My blood, your fist.

My fist, your blood. Yeah, there you go. Could have been heavy.

My fist, your blood. Now it's talking about Jesus. Damn it.

We're all going to burn in hell. Now the next album's going to be called The Rapture. Oh, boy.

Yep. We're done. We're out.

All righty, guys. Thanks a lot. Thank you so much for having us.

Pray for us. Buy the album. Metal.

I feel like I need to go to confession or something. Yeah, I hope people are praying for us at the end of that interview. Holy cow.

I don't know where we went. No kidding. My poor mother's rolling in her grave right now.

I know that. Well, we've got we've got he gave us copies of the CDs here. And yeah, I mean, yeah, that's an evil looking color.

Covered, right? It is. That's for sure. That's very, very scary.

But you know, I like I like what he's doing. I like what he's doing. I think it's a great idea.

This is something he's wanted to do. Yeah, right. And he's putting this album together.

And, you know, hopefully it'll go do well. And to seek out Tim Ripper Owens from Judas Priest or I guess filled in. Right.

Rob Halford for several years with Judas Priest to get him to sing on the album, too. That's pretty cool. I mean, song must have been pretty good, you know, for him to say, sure, why not? I'll sing.

That's right. That's good, right? Yeah. So make sure you guys buy the CD, Salvation, The Beginning of the End.

Get out there, buy the CD, download the CD, whatever to the digital copies and buy them and then get ahold of us. Let us know what you think. And then take them down to the church and have the priest bless it.

Then bless it. Get them blessed. Yes, definitely get them blessed because as soon as we're done with this podcast, we're heading right over to the cathedral here in Joliet and having the Reverend bless both of ours.

Okay. It's a good idea. Just go with it.

Is that before or after the bourbon? Oh, I don't know. Probably after. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. After the bourbon.

Perfect. So as always, thank you for listening to the Rock and Roll Chicago podcast and tune in every Tuesday for another exciting episode with Hollywood Mike and me, Ray the roadie. See you next week.

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