Coming to you from the studios at the Illinois Rock and Roll Museum on Route 66. It's the Rock and Roll Chicago podcast. Hey everybody, it's Ray the Roadie.

And this is Hollywood Mike, how you doing? I'm doing well, how you been? You know, I'm doing pretty good for a Monday. Yeah, did you survive the winter storm we had Friday, that hellacious event? Wasn't that brutal? It was crazy. You know, that's the job to have nowadays is weatherman.

Yeah, get paid for being wrong. The last time they said we were supposed to have a blizzard come through, I ran out. I was all in a panic.

I said, I'm going to buy my first snowblower ever. There you go. And it's still in the box.

Of course. So I've got a snowblower for sale, everybody. Yeah, I don't know.

They're saying nine inches up north or nine inches down here. They had no idea. It was so stupid.

Not a clue. Luckily, we didn't get any snow so that we could be here at the studio. And tonight, who we got in the studio tonight? I don't know.

Who do we have in the studio? Crawford's daughter. How you guys doing? Fantastic. Great.

We got Christie Mack and Rich with us tonight. So my I got just my first question. Where is the name from? Well, that's an excellent question.

We get asked that all the time. Nobody in the band is named Crawford. It's not a family name.

When I was a teenager, my friends and I used to watch that really godawful movie, Mommy Dearest, with Faye Dunaway. Tanked her career. And we would make fun of it and reenact scenes from it.

It was just ridiculous. But there's a scene in there where Faye Dunaway says, I don't want them treating her any differently just because she's Crawford's daughter. And when I was 15, I turned to my friend and I said, I really like how that sounds.

If I ever have a band, that's what I'm going to call it. So that's pretty cool. That's it.

It was a lifelong dream to be called Crawford's daughter. It was. I thought maybe she was born on Pulaski because some places on Pulaski, it's called Crawford.

Nope. I'm still stuck on the fact that they acted out scenes from Mommy Dearest at home. Just, you know, what do you want to do? Well, let's just act like Faye Dunaway.

Right, right. I know. It's kind of a crazy movie to watch when you're 15 years old.

It is. I'm divulging a little bit much about myself right off the bat. So did you start this whole thing? I did.

I did. Gosh, about 20 years ago, I met Rich and I dabbled in the idea of Crawford's daughter. I didn't really know what I was doing.

I met him just out of sheer luck. And we started doing some acoustic things. Crawford's daughter, the very tentative version back then disbanded for several years.

And then I reformed it in what? 2011. And we brought Matt on, kept Rich and had a couple different drummers throughout the time. But still do.

Yeah, still do. Our drummer is a new dad. He's got a newborn at home.

So he's on infant duty tonight. And what's his name? His name is Ken Naylor. All right.

And he's fantastic. And he's your most, I guess, frequent drummer because you said you still have a couple of them. Yeah, yeah.

And then we have Rich's brother, Dave, who sits in with us a lot as well. Oh, okay. So how long have you guys been together? We've been together since 2011, about 2011.

Yeah. Yeah, 12 years. And you guys were the nucleus of the band when it was formed? Yeah, yeah.

The second time? The second time, yeah. Also, there was the first version. Right.

About 20 years ago, I dabbled in it. But we had maybe, I don't know, 10 gigs in a period of eight months. But yeah, so now we work quite a bit.

Okay. Yeah. So where's home for you all? Darien.

Oh, that's not too far away. Wow. And that's not bad either.

Okay. We're just sitting back like. That's exactly what I said.

People get comfortable. Yes, where are you from? I'm from way back there. How comfortable are you? And Matt said he's from Lyle.

I live in Northwest Indiana. But I used to live in Chicago for about 10 years, originally from Bradley, Illinois. Okay, all right.

And you guys stuck it together. That's, I mean, that's some miles between you guys. Yeah.

And where do you consider home base? Every band has like one place that they play a lot and they consider it to be their home base. South side or South suburbs. Yeah.

Oak Lawn, Tinley Park. Crete. Crete.

Yeah, that's pretty. It's an excerpt. Bourbon, a Mantino.

We playing a lot in Mantino lately, but then we've also played a new Buffalo. We do some Northwest Indiana. We played in Kenosha.

A lot of you last week. Glenview. Yeah.

So we're kind of all over. I do. I do the booking.

So I book us wherever. Wherever we can play. So.

Okay. Yeah. What's good? $25 in an outlet.

Right. Have a microphone. We'll travel.

So. Right, right, right. So, Matt, we're just going to kind of spread it around a little bit.

Tell us a little bit about the music. Well, we do basically not. Well, we don't basically do, but we do soul.

We do pop, a little bit of pop, a little bit of country and yeah, a little bit of everything, you know, a little Motown. What else? And what's your role in the band? I'm the bass player and I do backup vocals. Okay.

Excellent. Yeah, we, we try to, you know, punch out some good three-part harmonies, which we all enjoy, you know, doing it. So the way I know Christie is through my brother.

She used to be in a band with my brother, a group called the Renditions. You get, you were with them for. Eight years.

Eight years. And it's before Crawford's daughter. So, and so I would sit in with them once in a while when their bass player wasn't available.

And that's how I got to know Christie. And then, you know, everything kind of fell into place, I guess, you know, so. Right, right.

And I'm assuming you're the lead singer, of course. Yeah. So is most of the music picked because of your, your vocal style or does everybody pretty much have input and say, hey, I want to do this? I think we all have input.

In fact, some of the, some of the songs that ended up being my favorite songs to sing or to add to the set list are ones that other people have recommended to us or requests that, that Rich has suddenly just, you know, he's kind of the, I always call him the human jukebox. So if we have a request for something, he usually, you know, just knows how to play it. And then we, we, we try it out that night and then we add some harmonies later on.

It ends up being, you know, a song that we, that we love to do. But yeah, I'd say we all have pretty fair input. I do the set lists every, every show.

But yeah, I've always loved Fleetwood Mac, Blues, Soul, Rock. So give us the, so give us the, the 22nd elevator pitch. I just met you for the first time and you want me to come out and see your show.

What are you going to say? Uh, we're a unpretentious, uh, hardworking band with some tight harmonies as he coughs. And, uh, you know, we, we really kind of dive into those, some obscure songs from, uh, the classic rock days, um, songs that maybe you just didn't think about for a while that, that, uh, people don't cover very much. So the human jukebox over there.

Um, you, you guys, uh, you guys write any original music or you do pretty much covers? Uh, we have a few originals, actually a couple of, of my songs. I've thank you. I've done a couple of CDs that, you know, with other people and, and we've done a few of those.

We keep a couple of them as normal staples and I'll usually throw one out there that I haven't done for a while. Christie shakes along with the tambourine, but yeah, we do, uh, we try to throw a couple, three in the show. Usually every, every time we're out.

So, yeah. Yeah. Um, you have, uh, instruments with you, right? He brought his guitar.

Yeah. Um, might we be able to hear one of those sometime this evening? The originals? Yeah, sure. Yeah.

We prefer the originals because if we use cover tunes and we're going to have ass I, you know, I was thinking about, well, I'll tell you what, why don't you pull that, pull off the guitar, get that thing tuned up. Right. And I'm going to ask Christie over here, uh, what has to happen for 2023 in order for you to say, Hey, we've had a successful year as a band.

What are you looking to do? Um, I look at volume of gigs, new places that we can play. Um, you know, I liked to in the winter months, I try to, I try to book us at least five to six times summertime. I like it to be eight to 10, depending on festivals.

Um, we can play as a duo trio or a full four piece band. So a lot of times it's rich and I, no matter what. Um, but I just, I just like a volume of gigs.

I like to try to add some, you know, new tunes. We don't rehearse a whole lot. I'd say we probably rehearsed what twice a year.

Um, we do a lot of what we, what I mentioned before, we'll just try something new at a show or we'll just email, um, some new songs before, you know, a show and say, Hey, you guys learn this on your own. Let's show up and try it out. And then, you know, um, so just volume of gigs, new places, a good, good reputation, you know, and maintaining zero drama.

I don't know if that's a big priority for a lot of the bands that you interview. It's a big priority for me. That's, that's, that is key.

It's probably why we've been together. If it's probably why we've been together. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

If you don't avoid the drama, you're not going to be together. Right. Right.

I didn't come on board for soap operas. Right. So are you also going to sing or is Christie going to sing? He sings lead on this.

I sing, um, which one we do. Well, yeah, I guess I do. Which one do you want to do? Well, she, she knew which one he was going to do without him saying that's right.

Yep. She almost did. Well, we could.

Do you do backups on the thousand hearts? I don't. Are you up to doing backups on, uh, sleeping with the lights on again tonight? And when you sing, you don't have to be right in the microphone. You can back off a little bit for this and see how this works.

And the microphones are going to pick up the guitar and everything real well. A raccoon, a possum, a werewolf, man, what could it be? Lord, I don't want to look and see. Skeleton, I hear it haunting me again.

Everybody's got one. Mine took my best friend. Every time she's gone for good, she comes on back again.

Yeah, I think she really fixed me this time. I think she really fixed me this time because I'm sleeping with the lights on again tonight. I think the boogeyman coming and you're not here to hold me tight.

If I could only hold her tomorrow, I know I'm gonna see the light. Yes, you were right. You were right.

Yeah, yeah. Trying to keep from stomping on the floor. How much do we want to hear? Instead, I'm counting money, instead of counting sheep.

It's not funny. It ain't mine to keep. What did I save? Workin' like a slave In full motion tryin' to take some more Hold it right now, send it to my door Ain't what I need, no, no, no Oh, I've never been the type to plead Skeleton heart, it is holding me Lookin' through my window I just can't let it in Next time I come around I'm gonna tear it there from them Oh, but there better not be a next time There better not be a next time, no Cause I'm sleepin' with the lights on again tonight I feel the Pokemon comin' and you're not here to hold me tight Oh, if I could only hold out tomorrow Then I'm gonna see you like it's you were right Yeah, you were right, you were right, you were right, yeah The abridged version.

That's probably a good one to do because I kind of wrote that with this band in mind. Oh, the crowd loved it. The crowd loved it.

Holy cow. That was real nice. I really liked that.

That was great. The harmonies are great. I don't think we've had anybody come in here and harmonize like that.

Wow. So what was your inspiration for that song? I was actually kind of saying that sometimes they just come to you, you know. And the arrangement, I kind of did have this in mind with the band that I was at this point working with.

It wasn't quite as heavy as some of the stuff I might have done in the past or whatever. It's got some good driving, you know, the bass and the rhythm section really kicks it up a notch too. Yeah, I wasn't hitting all the high notes that I would usually try to hit.

It's a moving song. Everybody loves it. It's got a great driving sound on acoustic guitar.

It has that Mississippi Delta blues, you know, making the train roll down the track kind of a sound to it. The rhythm section kicks it too, you know. Just ask the bass player.

No, he's right. It's all about the bass. So you do lyrics first or are you a music guy? That's a good question too.

It all depends. I've got sheets of lyrics that haven't found music yet and then vice versa. It's a matter of getting in the right frame of mind and okay, that works there.

Get the other book out. So you're the principal person responsible for the original work that you guys do in the band? For the most part. Christy used to do a couple of Christy songs.

Yeah. I've gotten away from it and I'm kind of dabbling on my own with it and I'll bring it to the band here eventually. I have trouble finding time to just sit down and write.

You know, I used to write a lot more and I don't write as much anymore because it's like, who the heck has time? And I said, you know, as soon as my kids are away at college and my wife and I are empty nesters, I'm going to do it. Nope. It just doesn't happen because there's always something on Netflix.

Right. Yeah. Right.

Now, I know I get, I get discouraged, especially when I shouldn't say this, but the way the music business or the music is going these days, it's like a lot of the stuff that I come up with is old school, maybe, you know what I mean? Right. Well, it's more than four chords. Yeah.

You know, right. Yeah. So I keep holding out hope that it's going to come back around again.

And it is slowly but surely. You know, you got a bunch of guys that, you know, fall into that Chris Stapleton mode where they can, they can sound country. They can sound blues.

They can sound rock and roll. You don't know what it is, but at the end of the day, they're playing instruments. They're not playing a laptop.

And the younger generation is starting to realize that again. So it's coming back around. And vinyl is back.

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Pink time. That's right. We're not getting old.

We're just looping through. The funny thing is, like what you just said, Mike, I was listening to Y2 Country on Sirius the other day. Yeah.

And the song comes up and almost sounded like a hip hop rap country song. And I was just like, what? I didn't understand it. But I mean, they're crossing, they're crossing other genres.

I mean, everybody's doing that. Right. It wasn't.

I think it was Jeff Foxworthy that said country rap. That's crap. Bingo.

There you go. We picked the right one that time. That's right.

I did. Although the want one would have worked there too. You're right.

Either one of those. So tell me about, tell me about your favorite gig. Tell me about when the venue was right and the people were right.

And the band was just gelling. And, uh, you know, what was the set list? What was the, what was the circumstance of your best gig? I kind of liked when we did last Thursday. A lot.

Oh, yeah. Oh, come on. Really? That was just a few days ago.

No, no. It was pretty cool. It was actually, we, it was the first time we tried to do this, um, it was a speakeasy kind of a deal where you're throwing back the 1930s, you know, the Billy Holiday.

Where was it? It's up in Glenview. Okay. The oil lamp theater.

Oil lamp. Oh yeah. I've heard of that place.

Yeah. Yeah. The thing that surprised me the most was that these people, first of all, were coming just to see us and spending a decent amount of money on tickets just to come and sit and watch us.

And I guess speakeasies were something they normally do up there quite a bit. So we, her and I actually brainstormed about 45 minutes or an hour, you know, Billy Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald kind of stuff. And, um, we ended up playing two thirds of our regular set because they wanted to hear the Fleetwood Mac.

Yeah, we had played, um, a couple of fundraisers at that theater. That's how we kind of got to know the patrons of that theater. Um, and they were throwing out, I had told them, I said, this is kind of a new gig for us.

We're going to do some tunes from Ella and, and you know, whatnot. And I said, if you don't mind, we'll sprinkle in some of our Crawford's daughter signature covers. And, you know, like, you know, we do a lot of Fleetwood Mac and they were yelling out, they're like, we'd be upset if you didn't, we love it.

You know? And, and they were just really receptive and the acoustics were great. Yeah. It was really a. It was fantastic.

Yeah. I mean, that comes to mind first of all, in lieu of the question, it was a good one. We did remember that pop-up beer, uh, pop-up, uh, wine festival we did on the beach in Kenosha.

Um, I don't think you were, it was a trio gig. It was with, uh, our conga player at the time, Rich and myself and, um, oh my God, literally they put a stage on the beach. It was anchored in the sand and the sailboats were there and it was just absolutely gorgeous.

This was in 2019. And this was where? Where was this? In Kenosha. Okay.

Wisconsin at their pop-up, uh, wine garden or beer garden. I don't remember. Yes.

It was one of those things, but. Excuse to drink. Yeah.

But it was just like, and then, and then the sun went down and the sailboats were there and I just thought, oh my God, if I could play a gig like this, you know, even just once a year, I would be thrilled. This was, it was just beautiful and the vibe was there that everyone was really receptive. The scenery was, um, unbeatable, you know, and that's something that's, um, there's more and more places like that that are popping around, you know, popping up, you should, you know, look into things like that.

Um, all along like the Illinois river and Des Plaines river. And, um, when you had like, like, um, like West from here, there's a lot of great places like that where it's the kind of place where people will actually come in their boats and, and, and, and pull up to the docks and you're playing outside. That's becoming a big thing.

All for it. That was just a great atmosphere. Yeah.

And I love that environment because the people that, that, um, go to those types of venues, they want to be outside. They're generally adventurous people, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're driving up in a boat or in motorcycles or a jet ski or whatever. So they've already got the kind of personality that you want at the show and they're outside.

They want to be outside. They want to be with a bunch of people that have never met before. And the party kind of just happens on its own fluition really.

Yeah. And it's a, it's a great spot to be. And if any of these places are listening to this podcast, we are looking for sponsors.

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Give us a call. Jess. No, she's just a great girl.

She's a, she's, I've known her for a long time. So, and I know she's listened on occasion. So, so Christie, you're singing late.

When did you start singing? About seven or eight years old. Okay. I had a Sean Cassidy record player with attached microphone, which was my favorite thing in the world or my Panasonic tape recorder.

I loved a Libby Newton, John Diana Ross, Donna summer, Barbara Streisand back in the day. Yeah. And then inquire every day of my life from fifth grade through college and did a little musical theater here and there, and then just branched out into bands, which is probably my favorite.

Very nice. Yeah. And you guys, when did you all start playing your stuff right out of the womb? No.

You came out with one. No, actually. Damn kid.

Couldn't come out with a ukulele. He had to come with a complete Stratocaster. Yeah.

Marshall stack. At least he wasn't a tuba player. You know, I used to listen to a lot of Beatles sounds and stuff, you know, when I grew up with that and I work out all that, you know, the bass, you know, Paul McCartney, you gotta love him.

You know, so, but that's, and then all my brothers, I used to, you know, like a lot of all my brothers, Stevie Ray Vaughan and, you know, it's, you know, a bunch of different stuff, but that's where I started when I was about 15. I mean, people of our generation, uh, Beatles were a big influence. I mean, they saw the Beatles and they're like, I want to do that.

I can do that. Cause all the girls were like, that's right. That's right.

So really musicians did it for the girls. Is that the way they originally started doing it? You should know that. Hey, no, no, not at all, honey.

I love you. Yes. I didn't start playing in bands until after I was married.

So, um, I need a, I need a new, um, I hosted an open jam last night and for about 15 to 20 minutes, it turned into everybody telling their favorite musician jokes and nobody had a bass player's joke. What's your favorite bass player joke? Cause I got to go back and tell everybody, you know, actually, I can't think of one. I'm not really good at remembering jokes.

I really am not. I don't deliver on jokes. That's okay.

Yeah. It was just off. I was, I was thinking about that as we all laughed about the comments about being born with a two on there.

So, yeah. So how do we find you guys on the, uh, on social media? Um, people want to look for you. Uh, we are at Crawford's daughter.com. We're on Facebook and our Instagram is a Crawford's daughter band.

Crawford's daughter, not, not no S cause Crawford's daughter band. Right. Okay.

Right. Okay. Okay.

Excellent. Um, this, this airs in about two weeks. Right.

Two weeks. Yes. So what do you have coming up about two weeks from now? Two weeks.

Anything after like the 20th, we always have to remember to tell, we have to preempt that at the beginning of the show so they can look it up. Yeah. Um, I know in April I can mention some April gigs.

We have the evil horse, evil, evil horse on a duo. Rich and myself will be playing at evil horse in Crete on the 22nd of April, April 29th we'll be back at Bailey's pub in Tinley park. Um, and then, um, June and July we got some, our, our schedules completely updated on the website as well.

So, okay. Excellent. Excellent.

Very good. Very good. It's not been another one of them originals.

Oh yeah. I forgot. He's sitting over there with that acoustic guitar.

Yeah. It's not a table. Yeah.

Sometimes it is. You're right. That's true.

Let's do the thousand hearts. Oh, it ain't that far from truthful with the beauty she unfurled, seeing the look of torture in the eyes of the other men. Oh, they're hoping, Lord, they're praying she be theirs again.

I was minding my own business when she cast her eyes on me. Gazing with a passion like those women on TV. Then the barmaid woman said, watch out there old son.

You know, she must have broken a thousand hearts. She wants one thousand more. This old whore had been through the wars and stood the test of time.

I cannot recall before when he stopped right on down. See old fella shake his head as she walked right up to me. Yeah, probably half in disbelief, half in jealousy.

She said, I heard you play before. I'd like to know your name. I do a little singing too.

Our styles are quite the same. Oh, and as she took me by the hand and led me out that door, I swore she must have broken a thousand hearts. She's trying to break one more.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they're all about the same. Oh, this one got a different twist.

I hope she's not to blame. She's sitting in my shotgun side. It's plain for all to see.

Oh, the fella shook his head. Yeah, he crawled right next to me. I saw him get into the car.

I heard him slam the door. Showering out like thunder. He crumpled to the floor.

Oh, and as she said the trembling, I tell you the best score. I said she must have broken a thousand hearts. Then she broke one more.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Excellent, excellent. That had a great hook.

Wow, I really like that one too. Your tuner is covering your headstock. Is that a Martin? It is a Martin, yeah.

It is. Boy, it sounds amazing. I just had the stainless frets put on it last year.

And the guy said I played, must have played two dozen guitars. When I picked it up, he goes, this one far and away sounded like the best. Yep, yep, yep.

So it's got an action, like an electric to it. It's like, I want to check it out. Yeah, it sounds great.

I mean, we've had several people come in here with electric guitars. That, or I'm sorry, acoustic guitars. That sounds great.

I mean, that sounded like we were in a recording studio right now with that. Yeah. So what was your inspiration in learning guitar, and when did that start? We didn't finish with you.

We didn't finish with me. I started taking, my mom put me in a acoustic guitar mode. I took lessons back in grade school, maybe fifth, sixth grade.

And shortly after that, I picked up an electric in the middle of high school. And I want to allude to some of his favorites, the Allman brothers, Richie Blackmore, of course, and some of those guys, Jeff Beck. I really wanted to learn how to get around on the electric.

So yeah, high school, I kind of started dabbling with that. My influences have always just varied all over the place, anywhere from Trini Lopez up to some of the people I just mentioned. Yeah, Gordon Lightfoot.

Yours comes from a musical family, too. His brothers play. Yeah, we all play.

And Matt, too. My mother, she's a great singer. And my brothers.

Yeah, that's funny. And you, nobody in your family. No, I'm the apple that fell off the family tree in Twin Deather Yards.

We had a friend of ours in a few weeks ago for an interview named Jesse Perez. You mentioned Trini Lopez. Oh, you know Jesse? I know who he is, yes.

Yeah, so you know he's got a Trini Lopez Gibson. And he brings it out every once in a while and plays it. What an absolutely beautiful guitar that is.

So if you ever get a chance to see Jesse again, and he brings that thing out, ask him to take a look at it. That's a Lockport, though. Do you know the name Lockport? The brewery right down there.

No, it's actually a place called The Studio. And that's where I host that every Sunday. And the second Sunday of every month, Jesse is my co-host.

It used to be Alexander's. Yes, that's exactly what it used to be. I used to play there back when it was Alexander's.

Right, right. Is it across the street from Nick and Ivy's? Down the street. Down the street.

Yeah, it's down the street. But Rich does an open jam, too. Oh, no kidding.

He's been doing it for 22 years. Miss Kitty's, yeah. Oh, no kidding.

Neighborville. Neighborville. So we know a lot of the same people.

We do. You know Mark Zinni? I've been trying to get Mark here for sure. So tell Mark to get over here and do this.

Tell him how fun it is. He's up there every week. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. I know a lot of people. I think I went to that jam, gosh, about 20 years ago or so.

So I'm sure you and I have met. Oh, yeah. Because I used to live over in Lyle, over in the lakeside apartments off of Ogden Avenue.

Really? When I first got married. And so I'd gone to that jam a few times. But I live out in Romeoville now, so it's a little bit of a drive for me.

I found a couple more around here. And if any of these establishments are listening to the podcast, we are still looking for sponsors. Yes, we are.

Contact me. That's right. Think about it, Miss Kitty's.

We could put the Rock and Roll Chicago podcast stage. Yeah, right. That's right.

Anything. I will do anything. Well, no, not anything.

Well, you'll do anything. You're pretty close to it. Let us know when it airs.

Well, I did know that. Wow. What a small world.

I'll have to stop in there. I'll stop in there for sure. You guys.

Are you guys Wednesday night? It's Wednesday night. Yeah. Okay.

See, I knew that. Yeah. Yeah.

All righty then. Well, thank you very much for coming out on this wintry snow. No.

Actually, a beautiful day today. Almost 60 degrees. Yeah, it was beautiful.

Gorgeous. But thanks a lot for coming out. Sound.

You guys sound really good. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us.

I hope to see you guys out and about somewhere really soon. Absolutely. Thanks.

Thanks for having us. Thanks. Well, there you have it.

Crawford's daughter. Crawford's daughter. Yeah.

I thought it was. I thought it was named after Pulaski Road because in some places, Pulaski is called Crawford. Is it really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah. And it actually goes like it's Crawford.

Then it goes back to Pulaski. Then it goes to Crawford. Then it goes back to Pulaski.

It's weird. I don't. I don't get it.

So are we doing an educational program now? We could. We could. Yeah.

We could. I think so. Sponsors for educational programs.

If there's any people listening that have educational programs that want to sponsor this podcast, I'd be happy to talk to you. Oh, yeah. So that was a lot of fun.

Yeah. That original music was great. Loved the original music and, and their harmonies were.

Very good. Yep. Were great.

I loved everything about those original songs and the way they harmonized. It was, it was great. Yeah.

You definitely need to go out and see them. Yeah. Definitely like to, you know, I like to see that there's still some bands out there playing some original stuff, you know, as we've talked many times, people want to hear what they know, but it's still nice to have, you know, new stuff.

Right. Absolutely. So if you're original artist contact us, we'd love to have you.

Most definitely. But you got to be from the Chicagoland area. You know, don't get calls from Sweden or anywhere like that, where I have gotten emails from Swedish bands that are coming out with a new album.

It's like, sorry. Well, I might consider it if they're willing to pay our way to go to Sweden. If they pay us to go to Sweden, I'll lie and say they're in Chicago.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Sorry, everybody.

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