Coming to you from the studios at the Illinois rock and roll museum on route 66. It's the rock and roll Chicago podcast Hey everybody, it's Ray the roadie and this is Mike Mottoyer for the rock and roll Chicago podcast, how's it going Mike? I'm doing pretty good I'm doing pretty good. How about yourself? I'm doing well.

I'm doing real well happy to be back in the studio Yeah, me too. Yeah after being gone for a couple of weeks a couple of weeks. Yep Hopefully we'll be here more often.

Yeah, so What's on tap for this week you scrounge somebody up from somewhere? Yeah, we've got the fabulous Kings gonna be here any minute and we're gonna find out who those guys are Yeah, what kind of music you know basic? You know Chicago style rhythm and blues. Okay I think people that go out and see these guys are gonna be pleasantly surprised by by what they can do It's you know, very traditional blues with a little bit of a modern spin and you can tell these guys are some seasoned musicians Sounds good. Why don't we give them a listen? Hey everybody.

It's Ray the roadie and this is Mike Mottoyer. How you doing? I'm doing good. We're here at the Illinois Rock and Roll Museum on Route 66 studios with another podcast for you.

Who do you got first this week Mike? We have the fabulous Kings. Let me tell you we have some blues royalty sitting in front of us here this evening All right, maybe not blues royalty. Maybe maybe fantastic pedigree.

Let's call it a fantastic pedigree like dogs So who's here with us Why don't you guys introduce yourselves? My name is Victor Sandry. I am George make Billy Ryder Billy Ryder and Billy. What do you play in the band? Well, that could be a matter of opinion.

All right Harmonica and vocals excellent. Excellent George I'm on drums. Excellent.

Excellent. I'm guitar player and vocals and vocalist. Excellent And the missing member is John Clark who plays bass.

All right, right. Oh, yeah, that's right. John isn't here.

That's right Yeah, so I'll tell you what I think it would be really interesting for everybody to hear exactly how you guys all came about because you have a very interesting history and I think everybody would like to hear how the fabulous came. No fabulous Kings came to be a band well, the fabulous Kings came to be a band because John the bass player and I and and George were playing with Billy King in the Billy King band He asked us to join him we were in a we were in our own band at the time He asked us to join us join him and we said yes, and it was Billy King and George and John and a saxophone player named Joe LeClaire who was really good right and myself and That you know, we started doing music. That's very similar to the music that we're doing now In fact, we still do some of Billy's songs, right? and unfortunately about a year ago last December Billy passed away from a it was a rare form of Fibrosis so, you know and we continued on and we met Billy number two here at a jam and John who Never forgets anything.

I mean that man never forgets anything We're sitting there, you know, you know at this open jam and John goes Isn't that the guy that was playing drums with Dana French, you know, like 15 years ago that we saw once Wow. Yeah, right, right And so we went up and start talking to Billy and he asked if he could come and jam with us when we went up and did our spot and Sounded pretty darn good. So, you know, we call them up and said look we're you know, this is what's happened This is where we are Then we just that's it right who was playing drums at the time You said you said you saw someone playing drums that would mean that was you were playing drums.

Yeah, so you played Yes Played drums of my plate drums and harmonica, right? Okay same time for quite a while at the same time Yes Wow and had a special harness that I had rigged up to blow her the last year and a half Drum set started to get real heavy Right, right now what was the year that that you all got together with the Billy King band Would be about 2019 maybe I'm trying to think I couldn't remember if it was 2018 2019 kind of thing. Yeah Um, I would sit in with Billy every now and then I met Billy about 2015 2016 when I went down to cousins, right? So he dragged my butt down to cousins and says you ought to come to this jam because you'll like this guy You'll relate to him which I immediately did and we get we hit it off real well So every now and then they were a three-piece at that time, right? And every now and then if you you know, like with you know He would play, you know, if he was gonna do an opening set at legends say right they would want a fourth player They'd want another guitar player. So I would play with them, right? That was my buddy Ron Spindetti Regnus the bass player at that particular time He definitely was right Ron Spindetti Regnus is somebody John Clark our bass players known him since Maybe grade school high school.

They went to school together, right and he I you know, and I said, you know when I when I went to Cousins that first time and I saw that Ron was in the band I just started smiling and I just said hey John, you got to come to this jam with us He goes walk and he goes it's Ron Regnus. I go. Yes it is.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Well, that's why I wanted to kind of that's why I asked you to kind of tell the story about how it all formed to where it came from because I knew we Had a connection because I played together with Ron for several years Yes, you did and the truth of it is I was a fan of Ron's when I was in a teenager in high school He'd been playing in bands for so many years and I knew who he was and I'd see him on occasion from place to place And then one day he comes walking into the uptown tap there in Plainfield.

Yeah to join the jam I wasn't in the house band at the time and Ron comes walking in. I was like, holy shit. That's Ron That's the guy everybody knows his spin daddy Yeah, he's walking here to play in the in the jam and in about three weeks later You guys all came in with Billy and that's the first time that I met Billy So we actually kind of share a share a bloodline so to speak.

Yeah, we're on run Another sad case because he passed away to a couple years ago, but I know, you know He became a close friend even when we weren't playing together. No, right. I always thought it was a It was interesting that last he went right before Billy did Yeah, and I remember at the time we were recording all of our gigs and I have slash Yeah, yeah still have a last show with Ron on bass Yeah, it's it's not mixed.

I just have the track sitting there and I remember that was one of the last things I would talk with Billy about and he had his mind on other things Understandably. Yeah, so that never that that was it's been on the shelf for a while. Yeah kind of funny This is getting brought up.

Now. This is kind of give me an impetus to look back at that maybe so Yeah, right, right. That guy had a laugh a real real good laugh Yeah, it was funny because you know one day we're playing and he's wrapping up his his mic cord and He says to me, you know who made this mic cord for me and he mentioned some guy that we knew in high school And I haven't thought about like, you know, 50 years, right? Right, right, and he still has the mic cord from that and I know what my court you're talking about because it was faded and it Looked brown.

Yeah, first guy that it was black It's definitely a good mic cord. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no kidding.

Okay, so you guys play a your style of music You play a very traditional what I consider to be a traditional Chicago style blues Is that something that you've always been into and the direction that you wanted to go into or is it just happened by circumstance? well for me, I mean my you know, my favorite players have always been the Players that I consider the ship the real Chicago sound which are just which I believe are the second tier players that came to Chicago because Howlin Wolf and Muddy Waters and all those guys and I love their music and you know And I've seen them all play but they came from the fields and they adapted their fields music to electronics and into the clubs guys like Well a buddy guy and Otis Rush and Magic Sam and Eddie Clearwater and Eddie Campbell all those guys Luther Allison took that basis and You know, basically, you know, they were the ones that that made that evolve into what I consider the Chicago sound Yeah, you know, I've never heard anybody put it that way before but you know, that's I think that's 100% correct I'd have to agree with you on that one. It's like it's you know, people like buddy guy Yeah, my one of my idols is really like a grandchild of you know, Muddy Waters, right? You know Sun House and all those other guys that you name Well, that's that's interesting and I in I've always loved your guitar tone fantastic guitar You Once again, it's once again because it's because it's those guys Yeah, you know and you know, I'm a big Magic Sam fan Fans, you know, and I just love that sound and I love the sound of the early recordings to even before them I love the sound of the early recordings that are nice with a lot of space and Everything's clear clean and there's some echo. So I just play with reverb.

I don't use anything I try to stay as clean as I can right because that's what I remember as a kid It was even when I remember as a kid for rock bands. I mean because I grew up, you know, you know I mean the first rock stuff I heard, you know was the first rock stuff because I'm you know, I'm old Yeah that old plate reverb kind of a kind of sound is what you remember Yeah, or the natural room reverb kind of sound that people try to emulate. Yeah.

Yeah Vic is a Vic is a guitar into amp kind of guy. He's got this little 5 watt carbon amp It's the loudest 5 watt amp ever heard but he cranks that I mean you just just dime the thing and it's the tone that you Want there's no pedals or anything. It's that perfect tone Like you said, he just uses a reverb and it sounds like a classic blues recording.

Yeah, it does Yeah, and that's the sound we're going for. You know, that's the least that's the sound I'm going for right? No, you gotta think back, you know back in the day when they were coming up. They didn't have pedals Plugged in and played right, you know, and what's really that thing weighs a lot less than your Fender twin And and the thing that's interesting with people don't you know that sound I I think you know I might be wrong But I think that the that that the sound and the tone evolved out of necessity because these guys were not rich And all of a sudden they're playing in these clubs and they need to amplify their guitars and are buying these amplifiers They're not buying these big state-of-the-art amplifiers They had to turn them way up right and they're getting that nice smooth creamy Tube overdrive and I you know And I believe that was that you know And then they just built their sound on that and I believe it was just out of necessity quite frankly Oh, absolutely.

And when it first when that sound first came around, yeah, nobody liked it Yeah record producers, you know, we're gonna turn that down. Why are you turning your amp up so loud breaking up and now it's I have That's the tone that everybody's going for. Well, you know, it's an interesting thing the small amps, you know You know people don't realize that, you know, you know, I remember back in the day and go and see and you know All the rock bands, you know, I went soft, you know when I went and saw the almond brothers for instance, you know And there's like stacks, you know marshals all over the place and they're loud as hell and these guys are in the studio and I believe The same thing with Eric Clapton, too It was a it was a small like maybe a small Thunder Princeton amp that they put in a room by itself and it was a small amp and they would just crank it and that's They got their tone.

They weren't using marshals and stuff when they were recording, right? Right, we're using small tube amps. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, and that's the way people do it nowadays.

Yeah So Sunday Billy, yes, you decided not to play See that's how I should have known you were a drummer because it wasn't quite right So I'm just gonna sit this one out for me I Didn't want to take up a lot of time, you know, it wasn't that big of a thing. It was a jam, right? I just got through playing that night. So I Figured just I love simplicity so I just You know, yeah, he's he's the hallmark of simplicity.

Just listen to him talk So Tell us about yourself, you know, where'd you come up? What are you I guess see if I make this quick grew up Jackson, Michigan this guy turned me on to a Johnny winter album had shaky Horton playing on it My sister still pissed off at me. I traded a Beatles album to this guy I Think that was a fair trade. My grandfather uncle Joe worked at the New York Central Roundhouse in Jackson, so I started hopping trains down to Chicago to find shaky Horton It's lucky enough to run into Johnny Young first post war mandolin player at a girl shop He asked me if I wanted to go to rehearsal with him.

I went to rehearsal and there was Johnny Young Sam Lee James Cotton and Jimmy Rogers and Bob Reed. What really plan Wow Ask him to some of the people he's played with. Oh, wow And it was quite quite the education from then on right I wrote it for a while and then started get up and play They were very gracious What they would show me? So so you started off you met these guys you go to rehearsal you start off as as their roadie and the entire time You're their roadie.

They're saying they're they're saying hey Billy look at this or you know, or whatever, right? And then you start playing every once in a while. Yes There's literally like an apprenticeship program. Well, I I start I rolled into Columbia College for percussion Okay, so I had I had some drum and I was thinking You know blues drumming up And when I first was introduced to a double hand shuffle my fingers swelled up like sausages and Richard Robinson who was playing drums used this floor Tom put a napkin on it It's a cup of coffee in his ashtray never used this floor Tom, right? We'll do a double hand shuffle so fast.

It was amazing and he'd never break a sweat. It's like he had no bones he just Just Wow Sam Lee actually taught me about accents in Different variations. Oh, it was quite an education But the heart players that was if I was playing drums, it was either James Cotton Shakey Horton Carrie Bell or Paul Butterfield blown heart, you know, so I mean did you tour with these guys? Did you just go to Chicago? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah one on the road. I love telling this one What Johnny Young were in the Bob Reddy blues band with summers out in Oklahoma and for the longest time and I always Researched Monica players just dive in who is this any style? And I always heard him talk about the buzzard the buzzard did this They had a winner for about six months who in the hell It's a buzzer.

So we finally I was awake and Johnny woke up. It's Johnny. Yeah, who's the buzzard? Oh That's Sonny boy Williamson Put that pint in his back pocket And he had that bend over look can you get into that Mike and you'd look at him from downstage? It looked like a buzzard Wow, see that's why we do this Great stories like that.

That's fantastic. Wow. So what was so after after you met these guys? I mean after what was like the next step? Like how old were you? think 16 oh so not that long ago You know about then and then you know, I got into rock and roll for a while and then went on the road with Various bands here and there, you know, I had I did a six-month stint at Circus Circus in a B room the room from Hello In the Blues Brothers when they go and they see those guys they kept try to get them out and they're playing that lounge Yeah, right.

Yeah Wow, that was bad had Had to wear tuxedos all day long anytime you left the room. I'm glad they tore the place down Wow And I just well, that's when disco came in. So it was hard getting work So you obviously didn't go the disco route.

You weren't hanging out with the Bee Gees or anything at that time? No Didn't go that route that actually I got that It was bad because all these musicians were getting off the road going home So all of a sudden you'd go home see if you could find some kind of work and there's all these other players So it was a show band and I just left the Bob ready blues band. So I was used to a real hardcore Type of venue like that got out there and was playing tight yellow ribbon round the old primary in Wow Okay, so you've done blues you've done rock and roll. Oh, maybe a little R&B stuff like that anything that paid Yeah, no, yeah excellent and well, you know last but not at least though, you know, we're getting everybody storied here but Let's let's hear where you came from there George.

Well, I don't know mine. I don't think it's as interesting but It kind of started actually playing with with Vic's son Vince and We had played together growing up together for forever Basically, so Vic has seen me grown into the drummer that I've grown into since I started at the time when when we started playing with Billy King, we had already been in a band before that and so things just kind of rolled in and They're still rolling Yeah, well, that's good. I mean I could tell me you're about what two three years younger than these guys.

So yeah, you know They probably pick you up He's my oldest son Vinny's best friend. So I've known him since he was six. Okay, so like four or five years now then Yeah about four.

Okay. All right. Excellent.

Excellent You're not just wondering when Billy started when he was 16 if he had hair back then because I don't know So what you're saying is ever since you've known him he hasn't had hair no I haven't had hair as long as I've known me No, you got to say that again in the microphone Yeah, I haven't had hair as long as I know me. Okay, that's hair on my head. Okay.

I got other places that are amazing. I Knew I should be bribing him. I knew No, I was you don't like it cuz I make them trim the hairs when we get home This is this is going a direction right now that we didn't anticipate There's a guy in my gym.

That's a guy. My gym has a full hair ahead on his ass Let's get back to George over here. So this part of the podcast is brought to you by hairline creation So so so Who are your influences? Where did where did where did you grow up from? I guess? Well grew up in a the Aurora area, but yeah influences I got a lot that are just all over For various reasons definitely grew up listening and starting playing drums Getting into metal thrash metal specifically definitely was a Metallica fan.

That's what I was waiting for because I knew it I could tell by your drum style I wanted I wanted to hear with my playing. It's there. It's there.

I wanted to hear it from his mouth. Yeah You know, you hear people say always up one foot in the blues He's always got one foot in metal when he's playing with you guys. I hear the Lars Ulrich.

I do Can't be untaken away It's where I started and in bloom from but uh the teacher that I had who was very good I took lessons for like eight years and by this guy that was uh, I forget which college he taught at but Yeah, real good jazz musician. That's where the jazz part of my playing came from I didn't listen to that off the top of my head, but he introduced me to a lot of stuff My dad who's a keyboardist introduced me to a lot of stuff more in the Fusion and progressive type of 80s stuff My mom was into Motown type of stuff Yeah every every person I knew that That was part of my life had a different influence on me musically at least when it comes to genres. So Yeah, they've all just kind of homogenized in this weird this is my style and this is how I play It takes a little bit of everything Started it with metal definitely Now, I I don't know what I would stamp but what type of name I would stamp on to it What's interesting if I may interject? Of course you may Thank you What's interesting is? the way the band is structured quite frankly and you know is is Actually the the heavier sound that he has actually kind of lead lends a little credence to what we do because Because the band's based around the the bass and the drums being pretty solid, right? You know, you know, that's pretty much the foundation of the band and Billy and I just get to flit around and do whatever the hell We want so, you know Yeah, well, that's good that's good I could see you would butterfly wings on I could tell I can see him being accompanied by guys in white coats myself So, where do you guys play regularly? Regularly well actually regularly we've been doing and this is how I met Billy Billy King had that had a jam at cousins for years and We joined the band.

We continued that jam and when Billy passed away We continued it and we still call it if you come on Sunday, you know, it's the Billy King Blues Jam We still call it the Billy King Blues Jam hosted by the Fabulous Kings. That's great Yeah, and there's a there's a story behind the name of the band to story of the joke It's actually a story well Billy When Ron was playing with Billy right right and when they would and when they would Would and when they would talk with each other on the phone when Billy When when Billy would call Ron his his his ID would come up the Fabulous King, right? So, you know, so when Billy, you know Billy told me that so When Billy was, you know when Billy before right before he passed away He says, you know, he says I like to want you to do me a favor I want you, you know, I want you to you know, name the band the Fabulous Kings and I thought you know Yeah, I mean cuz it's kind of a tribute to both of them I know and they're both, you know, they're both guys that are really good musicians and you know, and you know Billy Billy especially as me, you know, I mean he was a kindred spirit, you know when I first found him I mean just the way he was playing and just his sense of humor and everything about him, right? So, you know that's you know That's why we that's why the name is the name is in commemoration of Billy King and now Ron Ragnos I never knew that. Thank you so much for sharing that.

I never knew that. That's fantastic. Yeah, Ron was Huge influence.

Yeah, and a great guy. I only saw him get mad once once and it was some drunk at it at a It was an open mic that we were doing in Blue Island. I was with Ron I think was just Ron and I right right and this guy was just being a jerk and I and all of a sudden Ron I mean Ron literally kicked him out and Ron who was so gentle, right? Right.

It's like whoa, where did this come from? I just figured he wasn't around you enough. Yeah He got around me longer. He would have been yeah, but you know, thank God he wasn't a violent angry person because he was a big Dude, he was Just looking at him.

He was intimidating That's you we called him in Cadillac groove we called him our the human Prozac Yeah, because that was him, you know, and it started off one one day I would I showed up for a gig and I just had a horrible day at my day job Right and I was I didn't have a chance to go home I think it was actually one of these times where I flew in from someplace else I landed Jumped in my car at Midway Airport and drove right to a gig and I knew it was gonna happen I had my whole car packed in the whole bit When right to the gig and I walked through the door and I just looked like I had the way to roll on my shoulders And Ron walked over to me He puts his hands on my shoulders like this and he looks at me and in that gentle voice that he has Yeah, and he just said, you know, it's gonna be okay And he was and he was right it's it's gonna be okay and in every show after that Until the till the day he left us. Yeah In fact the last show that we played together was kind of like a Get together at our drummers house Tom Dixon Mm-hmm, and it was during kovat and we played in his driveway and it was the last time I had seen him any any You know, I walked up to him. I was feeling perfectly fine There was no reason for him to say it, but he just got used to it's beginning of every show Mike It's gonna be okay and and it was absolutely right.

Yeah I'm glad you shared that. Thank you sharing that so Yeah Ron was drama was a pretty nice guy. Yeah.

So what's next for you guys? What what do you what are you doing? Are you just gonna keep playing some? Playing some jams. You guys got some dates coming up. We don't you know Here's here's here's the reality of this band.

I think we're pretty damn good band boy. Do we suck at promotion? Well, you agreed to a podcast Oh, yeah Well, you know we do that we do that we do that the open jam every Sunday at at cousins from Ford a in Tinley Park and And we've in the summer from you know From June through September We're doing we do an open jam on the river at the Aurora Athletic Club in Aurora. Oh, wow That's a fun jam, that's a really fun jam because it's it's gorgeous it's where there's a pavilion there it's on the river It's outside.

It's outside. Oh, wow. That's why it's only the summer because the place is too small To really have music inside the club itself, right? So, you know So we've been doing it and we've done it for the last two years and it's it's starting to pick up some good Moment for two years.

You've done that yet. Well, you guys do suck at promotion because I didn't know that And You guys have come to the jam at the studio a few times So it's yeah, it's four to eight at cousins in Tinley Park and then in the warmer months It's it's six to it's six to nine at the Aurora Athletic Club. Yeah, and yeah the studio We if we get out at eight like we're supposed to that's when we hit the studio, you know, it's not very it's not very often Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so you guys are kind of like like we are it's you stay until the last person gets to play, right? Yeah, so those are like the only two places you've been playing or there well, you know, we yeah, you know We've we've picked up the film. We've played at the studio and it's this band. We've played it What is the name of that place out there? Yeah the Catfish days out there and okay.

Yeah Wilmington Wilmington. Yeah, we played there and you know We've you know when when we were with when the three of us were with Billy we you know We played legends four or five times and we just never really, you know, we've played at Johnny Blitz and Westmont, right? Right, right, right. Yeah Max on Slade.

Yeah before, you know when it was still existing, right? Well, you know you guys have a millennial in the band that tend to be a little more tech savvy than us older guys Yeah, he actually he is more Yeah, yeah, it's it's just one thing on the list. Hey record. Hey make a site.

Hey Do this and we do have a CD we did just finish the CD. Oh you did. Excellent.

Yeah It was one in my pocket. Oh, do you really well good good get that thing loaded on Spotify and stuff So yeah, so we can all hear it. Yeah And it's you know, we did it because George and his dad used to have a recording studio Nice in the basement in our house and his folks moved but George has still got all the recording equipment In his house All mine I did buy it So is it is it cover songs is it original songs? Oh both a little both.

Yeah What's the title of it? There is no title. No, we just we just finished it and we were gonna use it for promotion I did give one to Laura. Oh, you did.

Okay. All right. Excellent.

Well, it's the fabulous Kings Picture of Chippendale dancers on the front Billy goes Billy says when we put this thing out. We need to have a picture of us on the front. I said, are you crazy? Promotion I said we're gonna scare these people away That would be good we put the Chippendale dancers on the front they IRS and we show up So speaking of social media since the two of you have no idea George where could people find you on social world? Where can they find you on you on social media? They really can't you can't not I know you have a Facebook page.

We have a Facebook page. That's about it That's about it And we just use that for you know, just to promote where we're gonna be at which which is very infrequent, which is very Because the guy that's supposed to be going out to you know and talking to club owners and I don't want to mention my name Hasn't really done that as well as you should right right? No, but that's gonna change Well when you do get no gigs put it on your Facebook page. We got we've got the Facebook page for the podcast that's there for people who just put their shows out there.

So yeah, we have our there's the main podcast page and we have a Facebook group page, you know, it's a friends friends of the podcast and you can post stuff on there all the time Okay, a lot of bands do yeah It was the only reason we did the CD was for promotion, you know And just to have so when I walk into a club, you know a lot of the club owners know me because I walk into the end of the club and You know a lot of clubs and when people I know are playing and I end up, you know doing three or four songs, right? Right, right. Yeah, that's part of my life. I was Yeah, I owned a bar for six years in Grand Rapids, Michigan that explains a lot now I get it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah now I get Only talk to so many musicians in a day I agree.

Yep Alrighty guys. Well, I want to thank you for coming out here on this. Well, not really a chilly night.

It's not a bad night 54 degrees it said on my car. Yeah cruising into town. Yeah, not too bad Thanks for coming out.

We appreciate it. Well, thank you. We hope to get out and see you guys real soon I'm gonna probably stop up at cousins.

That's not too far from my place. So Don't throw anything at us. I Don't come armed.

Okay, you know, that's not a bad idea. I could probably swing out there before I do the studio. Yeah Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

Yeah, we you know, our jam. It's kind of like this. It will relate back Yeah, yeah, I've been the jams where it's like get your guitar out and you got three minutes to get ready Now I'm all nervous I can't play I want to join the army All righty guys, well, thanks a lot.

Thank you. We'll see you soon. Appreciate it.

Hey happy. Happy. Thanksgiving.

Yeah And everybody else out there listening Oh Like I tell you Mike they were just fabulous and Entertaining beyond their music they are very funny very funny and some very talented guys Yeah, I had no idea, you know, I I met I met Billy for the first time Maybe just a couple of months ago Mm-hmm, and he came in playing harp at a jam and didn't know he was a drummer But God the people that he's played with like you said his pedigree. Holy cow. Yeah.

Wow. Amazing. That was crazy So what you guys got going on? Kelly grew got anything happening Yeah, actually by the time this program actually airs the Saturday of Thanksgiving.

We're gonna be playing over at the roundhouse Okay, the two brothers roundhouse. We're looking forward to that show. It's always a good time to be playing there.

Sounds good So this has been a great another week Make sure you guys check out the Illinois rock and roll museum on route 66 in Joliet, Illinois You know visit them at road to rock org and sign up to be a charter member You know kind of cool benefits and stuff and that's where our studio is. You can come here and see us record Not that I want anybody watching me, but you know, not one of them guys already until next week. We'll see you then Take care.

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