Ep 250 Outpatience
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Coming to you from the studios at the Illinois Rock and Roll Museum on Route 66, it's the Rock
and Roll Chicago podcast. Hey everybody, it's Ray the Roadie and I am still hot. You're still hot.
It's still hot. It's been a week. It's still hot.
Yeah, he's a handsome son of a bitch, I guess. I sure the hell am. Yeah, it's hot in this room.
It is hot in this room. Holy crap, I'm melting. So who are you this week? I feel like I made a
show.
You know, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm your man, Hollywood. This is your Hollywood this week.
Yeah.
Yeah. I'm coming off having a pretty good week. You know, I can't complain too much about it.
You know, good. Yeah. Good.
So who we got in the studio tonight? We got some people from the hospital that are the
outpatients. They are the outpatients. That's not too far from the truth.
But it's, but it's not spelled that way. No, it's not. Yeah.
I mean, they're like patients, like patients. I mean, you jumped right to that pretty quickly. I did.
I guess you're out of patience. I'm quick like a bunny sometime. Yeah.
Where did that name come from? Outpatients. Cause you wanted it to be outpatients. And then
you looked up and there was like a thousand other ones and you said, Nope, let's spell it
different.
Well, it's a real good question. Cause I'm not real sure where the name came from. So, so this,
the origins of this band were, so I'm, I'm the only original member who's left here.
You guys can leave. He does have a lot of patients. Yeah.
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So back in oh six, I had a friend of mine that was a school teacher and he came to me and said,
Hey, we're the school I'm teaching at is holding a benefit for disabled child. And I'm thinking it'd
be fun to put together a little band to, uh, to play for this benefit. And they had a lot of stuff
going on.
It was held in a gym in the high school. And, uh, so I was like, Hey, I'm, I'm game. I was in
another band at the time, but I was like, you know, it's, I'm always up for, uh, performing for a
good cause.
And it was a friend of mine. And so he said, well, I got a drummer, any chance, you know, bass
player. And I said, well, I don't know anybody who wanted to do it, but I do have a friend who
plays guitar and I bet he'd be okay with playing bass.
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Cause that's where you get bass players from. Exactly. Exactly.
And so we threw this band together and his wife at the time, it's his ex-wife now, um, came up
with the name. I think she was out of patience with him to be perfectly honest with you. I think
that's where it came from.
And they were divorced about a year later. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.
So that's kind of where it came from. And so we had a lot of fun playing and the benefit and we
said, Hey, let's keep it together. And we did.
And here we are 19 years later and we're, uh, still the name, uh, in the divorce settlement. Yeah,
that's right. That's right.
She did not demand it. That was a, that was a handle. That all right.
Well, my name, my name is Ray Connolly. I'm again, I'm one of the founding members of the
band and I play guitar and keyboards. Excellent.
Excellent. So why don't we, why don't we do this instead of doing the kindergarten thing, you
know, my name's Johnny, my name's and you know, whatever. So I'll give you, I'll give you the
rest.
So you were, well, you were the founder, right? I was one of the founders. Anybody else here?
Uh, somebody that you brought in in the early, in the early days? No. Now, so we, We stuck
together.
We had the same basic lineup for a few years. And then our drummer left and we brought in
another drummer. And then that drummer left and we brought Bruce in about a dozen years
ago.
And then we were on, at that point, our second or third bass player. And it was shortly after
Bruce joined that we brought Steve in as our bass player. And then- Actual bass player.
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Actual bass player. Real bass player. Yeah, real bass player.
Again, no offense to the gentleman who was with us for a number of years, great guy, good
friend of mine. I still play with him a lot, but he always admitted that he just dabbled in the
bass. And he went back to his finger picking guitar after that.
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And then we went, so Mark, who, not this Mark, but Mark was the other founding member of
the band, a friend of mine who was a school teacher. He ended up moving out of state about
three or four years ago. And we went through several iterations of replacements for him at that
point.
In fact, we replaced him with two people for a while. Yeah, we're actually, the drummer, the
actual drummer of the original band came back to play guitar for our band. Oh, okay.
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So he was one of the guys we brought in, play guitar and do some singing. And then another
gentleman that played guitar and keyboards and did some singing as well. So that, and then-
And what do you play in the band? I play guitar and keyboards.
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Guitar and keyboards. Okay. Who's your singer? Steve, mostly.
Steve does most of the singing. Oh, singing bass player. That's right.
You don't see a lot of those, right? You don't. He makes Sting very jealous. Oh, wow.
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No, no, no. Give him the microphone. Give him the microphone.
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Really? You make Sting very jealous. I've got to hear this. Okay, go ahead.
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About your go-go's. No, let's not talk about the go-go's. They punish me with the go-go's.
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No, we need to talk about the go-go's. Yeah. Anything that's high and makes me sound like a
girl.
They love playing. Okay. The more I sound like a girl or sing in that range.
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Hence the go-go's. So we do a trifecta of go-go songs. A trifecta of- Three of them.
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They have more than three? They really only have two, but the third one, Steve likes the third
one best. Yeah, right. I'm like- We got the beat.
Head over heels. Our lips are sealed. I nailed them.
I nailed them. You nailed them. And head over heels was the third one that was sort of a hit
that we brought in.
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Steve really likes that. Now, Steve also, another one of his claims of fame, in addition to being a
singing bass player, is he sang the national anthem at the Bulls game at the United Center.
Nice.
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Two or three times. Three times. Wow.
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At some place in Rockford, one of the Ice Hawks, maybe? Yeah. The Steel. They're out of King
County.
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So you got some pipes then. Yeah, Steve's got some pipes. Pavarotti met Fergie.
That's Steve. Pavarotti is. Pavarotti met Fergie.
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Who's Fergie? Do I know him? You're- yeah. Pitcher for the Cubs, wasn't it? Yeah. That's right.
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Yeah. O-9. You mean Ought-Nine? Ought-Nine.
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Ought-Nine. Yeah. Yeah.
Who knows what, you know, anywhere. You just can't do it. And drumroll.
Mark, our guitar player. He's brand new to the band. Okay.
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I was just in the Guitar Center. These guys came in, put a bag over my head. He was actually in
the Holiday Inn.
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And I said, what are you doing? Said nothing. I said, you're going to play guitar for us tonight.
Because you slept at the Holiday Inn.
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You're welcome. That's good enough. And he's from the South Side.
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He's a South Sider. We're all from the South Side. Except for Steve.
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Yeah. I think I figured that out, that we're all from the South Side. Right, South Side.
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Over by the air. By the jewels. I remember when a guy from Delrose Park, he'd be like, hey,
Steve, I was talking to these tree guys.
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And I'm like, what's a tree guy? Don't be a smart-alice, Steve. And he turned around, what do
you mean? He goes, oh, I missed the visual. Yeah, that's right.
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Tree guys. Tree guys. You know, it's the couple, two tree guys.
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Right. Yeah, and the jewels. Let's go grab a beer in the front room.
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Yeah. No, it's front room. Front room, front room, front room.
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Yeah, I'm going to turn it up. Yeah, that's right. So you guys played this gig.
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You started this whole shindig by playing a gig at a benefit. A benefit in high school. That was
about 2006.
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That's right. What high school? The Plano High School. Plano High School.
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Okay. Beautiful Plano, Illinois. Yep, yep, Plano, Illinois.
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Know it well. Know it well. Okay.
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And then so between that benefit gig and actually playing a bar gig, not long. In fact, so we, I
think that was during the summer, as I recall. And so we obviously, we needed to learn a lot
more music than we needed for just this little high school benefit.
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And so we learned more music. And actually by that next year, we were playing the Sandwich
Fair. Oh, nice.
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The Sandwich Fair. We played in 07. Now you guys all from out in that area? I do.
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You're from that area. I actually, I absolutely, actually love that area. That whole riverfront area
down there is starting to look really nice.
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It's a really pretty area. Yeah. I mean, because I remember like 30 years ago, there was nothing
there.
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There's a lot of cornfields. Yeah. A lot of cornfields.
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Yeah. If you like corn, it's your boy. Yeah, it's supposed to be.
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Yeah. And I do, you know, I do love corn. Yeah, it's good.
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Yeah. And it's coming in right now. So it's, there's some good stuff.
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It was knee high by the 4th of July. Yeah. Freaking eye high by the 4th of July.
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Well, that's good. That's good. And describe your style to me because I got online and I looked
for you guys and I saw a couple of videos and everything like that.
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It seems like you're a little all over the place. A bit eclectic. We always say if you don't like... Not
in a bad way.
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No, no, no. Not in a bad way. I know what he's going to say.
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Yeah, you guys are all over the place. We always say if you don't like what we're playing, I'll stick
around five minutes and kind of like Chicago weather, it'll change. And yeah, so we play
everything from, you know, the Beatles and... We do a lot of one hit wonders.
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A lot of one hit wonder stuff. Okay. Yeah.
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And people come up and they're like losing their minds. Oh my God, you played the other song
by Flock of Seagulls that I've never heard anybody play. And I'm like, we're playing it for you.
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Okay. Stop. There's another song by Flock of Seagulls? Yeah, there are two songs by Flock of
Seagulls.
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We played both of them. You got that haircut. Yeah.
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You got... I ran and I ran Space Age Love Song. I would say we are the best Flock of Seagulls
cover brand you're going to see. Really? Yeah.
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We know both songs. It's impressive. Yeah.
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If you know both songs, then you are. Wow. I just can't get over it.
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People lose their minds. They do. We've had that happen on multiple occasions.
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People come up and I'm like, oh, oh my God, you played Space Age Love Song. I'm like, why
can't I think of that song? Space Age Love Song. I don't know.
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If you hear it, that's the thing about our band. All the songs that we play, I mean, some of them
are recognizable, but we are. We are from Aerosmith all the way to Zeppelin and everything in
between from the 60s all the way to where we started to play The Killers.
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Okay. Because people ask us, hey, do you know any Killer songs? Well, then Steve gets the
bright idea to say, hey, we should learn some Killer songs. Mr. OB.
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Yeah, you. So every time a customer comes up and says, hey, do you guys know this? Or did you
know that? He'll come in the next practice and we're playing Killer songs. Well, why not? I mean,
why not give the people what they want? You got to give the people what you want, but then
there's a fine balance.
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But we always said that once me and Steve and Ray were the trifecta there for a while, we're
like, we're going to play songs we love, but we're not going to play everything else that
everybody else is playing. Everybody's trying to Bon Jovi and Journey. And I don't know how
many times I was going to say, that's what you have to be.
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You have to be careful about doing that when people come up to you and say, hey, can you play
this? You can't just run right to a band rehearsal and say, hey, we're going to play this song
now, because most of the time people are running up to you and they're saying songs that
every other cover band within a thousand miles are playing. You've just become another band
that plays Don't Stop Believin' for the hundredth fucking time. So I'd rather go deeper with it,
you know, and go into something that we all like or play separate ways or something else.
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But then some band, you know, some songs in a band, we might not have that perfect talent on
the guitar at one point in time, because we've had so many iterations of the band that until we
got Mark, we didn't really have a solid lead player, like solid, solid lead player. Now we're doing
more Pink Floyd and we're doing... Because now you got a pretty mediocre guitar player, so
now you can do stuff like that, right? No, I'd say he's a little bit better than that, but we love his
mediocrity. Yeah, that's good.
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Oops, I said that out loud. Nobody's as good at mediocrity. Nobody's as good at doing
mediocrity like me.
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I'm obsessed at mediocrity. You got to get that T-shirt. I have one.
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I'm the world's okayest guitar player. You got to get it. It's always a hit.
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I want one that says almost okayest. Almost okayest. Yeah, that's good.
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So are you guys doing a little more like B-side stuff? Yeah, like you guys don't look old enough
to be around in 1979 in Chicago, but if you had an AM radio, you're welcome. We'll pay him that
50 bucks later. Check in the mail.
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We're like, oh, if you were around 79 and you listened to WLS, you're going to know this song.
And then we play Tarney Spencer, Time to Lose. Yeah, no kidding.
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Wow. I love that. I love the music from that era.
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Or that King song. Oh, you know, the Kings from Canada. The Kingsmen.
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No, not the Kingsmen. No, Switch and a Glide. Switch and a Glide.
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We do the whole thing. We do the medley. Yeah, okay.
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79, same thing. I'm like, you know, we were playing a show. Remember? We're playing a show
at some fest in some town west of Madison, Wisconsin.
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We will, if we don't drive three hours, it's not worth the gig. Anyways, so we're there and people
are having a great time. It's a typical Sunday.
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Remember? Sunday, Wisconsin gig. Everybody's nice. And I said, okay, I go, if you can, I'm
thinking I'm safe, right? Yeah.
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If you can tell me who did this song, I will buy you a beer. And I know it's only going to be like
an old style or... But everybody knew the song. So we bought a hundred old style.
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Right? That happened once. Some guy is screaming. I'm like, God damn it.
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I went to Stephen's Point. I remember that song from 1981. I'm like, okay, well, I'm down a buck
75.
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So I guess I'm okay. You know, a bill of high life only cost you a, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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So, yeah. You know, but, you know, that music, it's, all that stuff is becoming popular again. I
just played a wedding for a young couple.
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Yeah. And they requested stuff by like Ambrosia and Little River Band. Right, the Yacht Rock.
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The Yacht Rock. And see, and that's just it. I'm a huge Yacht Rock fan.
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Oh yeah, me too. All of a sudden that music became so popular again, because somebody
coined a name and put a name to that era of music. And now it's Yacht Rock and everybody
knows that it's Yacht Rock.
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And I mean, it's like back in 1984 when we were all high on cocaine and Toto. Was that New
Glarus? You know, where the beer comes from? So we book in Belvedere for them. And it's a
wedding reception.
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I'm like... We don't do a lot of, we don't do a lot of weddings. But that's what they want. And I'm
like, if they listen to us, because we're not, you know, we're not... Not wedding band material.
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We're not bedding, man. Okay. All right.
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We do a few. No chicken dance. No hokey pokey.
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So it was during COVID. It was supposed to be in a park in Belvedere. And they got axed
because of COVID.
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So they book this venue up in New Glarus. Which is another two hours, an hour and a half
anyway. Great little town.
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It was a really cool venue too. And they had really good beef snacks at the gas station on the
way to the show. It's also the home of the largest journal in the world.
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Yeah. I missed that. I thought that was the state of Wisconsin.
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Steve was born and raised in Wisconsin. We watched those jokes there. I loved them.
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I love to pick on people from Wisconsin. It's fun. It's fun.
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I don't remember exactly how old. They call us fibs. The couple was not... They weren't old.
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I mean, they weren't, you know, a bunch of old farts like us. They were probably 30s, maybe.
Late 30s, early 40s.
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So they requested two songs. Nutshell. Nutshell by Alison Chains.
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Okay. Wait for it. If you want blood, you got it.
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And you guys played them. We did. Of course.
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We learned them in advance. I mean, they were requested in advance. We learned the songs.
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I said, you better clarify, if you want blood, you got it. That's the best father-daughter dance
ever. Yeah, of course.
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I think it was the second wedding. It was very nice. It was very touching.
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Well, I played a wedding one time years ago, and the bride let the groom choose their first
song. Oh, my. And he picked Shook Me All Night Long.
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You should have seen the look on her mother and father's face. So speaking of weddings, this
Saturday is our guitar player, Mark's, wedding reception. He put together the setlist for us.
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That's sick. It's harder than my own money. Or maybe you should be... My green card was
about ready to expire.
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I had to stay in the country, so it's not working out good. So you put together a setlist for your
own wedding, and you're going to get up and you're going to play at your own wedding? Yeah.
I figured my wife, the best wedding for her is having me in one place where she could see me.
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She knows I'm not going to get in any trouble or talk to anybody, and she gets to do what she
wants to do. So it's going to be a good wedding. So she invited all of her friends.
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He's not going anywhere. He's under my thumb. And you still got to pay the band.
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Absolutely. Which is one of the songs on the setlist, Under My Thumb. Yeah, that's right.
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It's a whole big circle, guys. Great stonestone. No, tell them what our band is playing for your
wedding songs.
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I have no idea. It's on a spreadsheet. Yeah, Psycho Killer is one of them.
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Captain Spreadsheet. Oh, that's a great song. We got really good stuff.
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We got stuff like Run Like Hell, Psycho Killer. I saw you guys doing that. I saw a video.
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Yeah, we got Comfortably Numb. We got Comfortably Numb in there. We've got... Perfect
wedding songs.
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Yeah, yeah. All great stuff. Where the streets have no need.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, great. Well, it's not our first time being married. Yeah.
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We've been down this road before. We're being a little bit more realistic. Oh, so same woman?
No, no.
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I was like, how'd you do that? That's harder than pulling off the roommate swap. But back to
Psycho Killer, we actually were playing this gig, a private gig, and the wife came out with a fullon
giant meat cleaver. No, steak, like a chef's knife, like a huge chef's knife, and I'm singing, and
she's going, Oh, God.
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And I'm thinking, okay, I could just throw it at her if she comes at me. She's like, you're making
me nervous, ma'am, you're making me nervous. So this is a bride that's coming out swinging a
meat cleaver.
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Yeah. It was a private party. It was a private party.
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They were getting married. They were engaged. Gotcha.
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Wow. I'm like, sir, do you see what's going on? Yeah. She's got the knife.
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Psycho Killer. Yeah. Those pieces together.
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24-7, all music with its roots in Illinois. So what's your favorite type of music if you're playing
everything? I mean, you guys all have to have your individual influences. So we're all different.
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I'm obviously a Lemmy fan. Look at this guy. I got my Chelsea boots on.
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Got the white patent leather Chelsea boots. Look at this. So the only time you wore cowboy
boots, Lemmy did, right? And then one day I saw, oh, Ace of Spades, right? Yeah, right.
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And they all look just kick-ass. And by the way, I remember the first time I heard Motorhead on
the radio, I was at the Wooden Field Mall with my mom, and Ace of Spades came on somehow
in the Sears store. And I was like, ah! Anyways, yeah.
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So Motorhead, he likes the 60s stuff. I'm a huge Who fan. Again, growing up in Chicago, I like all
the old Chicago bands, all the Buckingham's, Buckingham's, New College Sex, all those guys.
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Yeah. They've all been here. I'm sure.
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Yeah. Nice. You know, when I first saw the boots, I thought Nancy Sinatra.
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Yeah! It works for that, too. Don't do your cousin! You've got the right voice for it. Let's do it
Saturday, man.
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Oh, my God! Sing! That's another great wedding song. Let's do it! We'll do it Saturday. Another
great wedding song.
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I require a 25% commission on that. Yeah, and the drummer now is all weird enough. But
you've got to do the dance.
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You've got to do the dance and everything, too. You've got to do the dance thing and the wiggle
thing. You have to do it.
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That's why I play the bass, because I would do stupid things with my hands if I, you know,
wasn't playing the bass. I'm sorry you guys didn't see the visual on that one. It was beautiful.
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Yeah. It was a seizure. It was purdy.
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So, we're going from Motorhead to the Who. I was in high school in the 80s, so it was Eddie and
Jimmy Page, and that was it. Eddie and Jimmy Page.
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Wow. Right? Our youngsters. And I'm, well… Are you younger than me? No, you're… Yeah, no, I
think I'm older.
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Nice. No, I'm just the eye candy. And I'm more progressive.
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I'm like the Toto, the Night Ranger. Yes, Asia. Asia was one of my… Karl Palmer was one of my
favorite drummers, and then I fell into Cream and Ginger Baker.
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So, we're all over the place. I'm Chickenfoot, and Sammy Hagar, or Van Halen. Oh, nice, nice,
nice.
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I had a friend who was such an Asian, or Asian, Asia… Asian fan? He was such an Asia fan that
he would try and work it into almost every single conversation that you could possibly think of.
Oh, God. Was that me? No, it wasn't you.
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It wasn't you, but it was just so irritating. You could be talking about going to the casino, and
go, casino, c-a-s-i… That kind of spelled like Asia. Yeah.
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He tried to work it in. There's an I in casino and Asia. And Asia, yes.
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My wife, she won't let me go to any concerts anymore because I went and saw Karl Palmer…
That's on you. …with ELP up at the Arcadia. Yeah.
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Well, you were supposed to go and monitor me, but the first thing she says when I leave is, I
took my dad and I said, she goes, don't you spend a whole lot of money? What do I do? The first
thing I do when I go in there is, he's got a Venus Ludwig snare up on the wall, $400. It's signed,
and then you get to meet him, right? Okay, what am I doing? Dropping $400. You're dropping
$400.
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I'm doing it as I walked in the door. Yeah, yeah. But no, nicest guy.
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He signed it. He spent 20 minutes trying to tell me how to tune it. Wow.
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Because it's kind of special, you know, but it was the coolest time of my life. But that was Asia
for me, you know, or totally. We won't tell Al that.
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That was the coolest time of your life. So what was the brand of snare drum? It's called a
Ludwig Venus Brass Snare. So it was a Ludwig.
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Why would he just have this thing hanging out on the wall for shits and giggles? Because he
made it. He designed it for Ludwig, and it was his snare. But you couldn't find them anywhere,
and the only place you could get them was on tour.
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I knew that. She didn't. Okay, wow.
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Okay. I mean, at first that struck me as odd. It's like, you know, what, does he need the money?
No, actually, as artwork, too, we're not going to go down the Karl Palmer album.
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We'll have a whole different podcast. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I have kind of a similar story,
but I was out in San Diego, California, gosh, 15 years ago or so.
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I'm there for a trade show, and a buddy of mine who I was there working a show with says, hey,
I'm not feeling very well tonight. I'm going to skip dinner. But he goes, I heard John Mayall is in
town playing this small little, like, winery kind of thing, kind of like the Chicago City Winery type
of a venue and stuff.
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And I hear tickets are still available. So I was like, okay, maybe I'll go check out John Mayall. And
I was familiar with John Mayall, obviously, but mainly because his band had given birth to so
many people like Eric Clapton, you know, for one thing, right? And so I said, okay, I'm going to
go down there.
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I'm going to go stand in line. And there was nobody in line. There was like maybe five people
buying tickets to get in to go and see John Mayall.
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Well, I get inside, the place is packed. So everybody is supposed to be full. This place is
supposed to be full of John Mayall fans, right? And I walk in and I look over.
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The first thing I'm going to do when I get in there is get a drink. So I look over at the bar.
There's John Mayall sitting on the corner, not 10 feet away from the door.
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He's got a stack of CDs, his most recent release. And he's drinking a Dr. Pepper. And he's sitting
there with a stack of CDs.
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And I just walk over to him. And I said, so are these for sale? You know, it didn't even, you know,
I was just being casual with the guy. So these were there.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. These are for sale. 10 bucks.
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And he signs the whole thing. And I sit and I just start talking to the guy. And he kicks the chair
out.
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And he calls over for another Dr. Pepper. And he goes, I got his drink. So John Mayall buys me a
drink.
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I bought him a CD. He signed it for me. I spent like an hour talking to John Mayall.
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Traveling for business, I learned if you want to spend any time talking to somebody famous,
right, talk about anything except for what made them famous. So we talked about quail
hunting. We talked about trout fishing.
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We talked about, you know, driving Ferraris. We talked about everything other than music.
Right.
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And I'm sitting here thinking to myself the entire time. These people are supposed to be John
Mayall fans. And they have no idea that they're walking right past him.
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Oh, yeah. And nobody did. And I got to spend all that time just talking to a freaking legend.
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Yeah. That's awesome. And nobody else.
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That's freaking awesome. And he's there peddling his own CDs. It's like, wow.
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Just blew my mind. And then I kind of realized he's probably doing this because he needs to
maybe. Who knows? Yeah.
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Or maybe he's just going back to his roots and that's what we used to do. You know? So, wow.
Pretty cool.
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That's a great story. Yeah. Nice.
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So where do you guys play the most? We do a lot of private events. We do a fair amount of fair
and festival kind of stuff. Illinois State Fair.
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Yeah. We played at the State Fair almost every year for probably the last dozen years. Nice.
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Nice. So we played there all the time. We do a handful of our gigs.
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We don't do a ton anymore. Kind of getting old. Do you like playing outside though? Well, that's
just it.
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It's freaking hot. Well, except that, yeah. I mean, days like this are miserable, right? I mean,
sure.
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We set up five fans and you're trying to find some cover somewhere. We just played at a block
party in Batavia a couple of weeks ago. It was just brutal.
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A little warm. Brutal. As a vocalist, I hate playing outside in this heat.
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Oh, God. I absolutely hate it. It's miserable.
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Tell them your secret weapon. Uh-oh. Well, it's not a secret weapon now.
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This is going to be broadcasted to about 14 people. I don't know. I don't know where they came
up with it, but all of a sudden, they started bringing in people.
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Do you mean fatorce personas? Tens of people are hanging in every word. Tens of people. Tens
of people.
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Yeah, and we know all of them. But all of a sudden, they started bringing out Lay's Potato Chips
at all of our gigs. Lay's Potato Chips.
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That's what it says. Wow. Who told you that? We heard it.
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I heard it from a singer. I didn't believe it. And then later that week, I saw Michael Anthony and
Sammy Hagar, right before they were going on, they're slamming Jay's Potato Chips.
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Coats the throat, keeps it in shape. And I'm a terrible singer. If you give me a bag of Jay's Potato
Chips, I could sing all night.
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Opera singers. I don't know if I believe that. Opera singers eat Lay's Potato Chips.
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The original Lay's Potato Chips, the proper amount of salt and oil. Perfect for your throat. That's
a whole other podcast.
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We're going down a whole other thing. If we knew an opera singer, we could ask them. Yeah.
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Go ahead and belt one out. Do you have a language you prefer, Latin, Italian, or German? You
don't know all those. He has some opera songs in each of them.
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Wow. Let's go with Italian. Recitare mentre preso nell'elirio Non so più quel che dico E quel che
faccio E pure tuo po' Sforzati Can we play that one, Sammy? No shit.
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Nice. Wow. Get that, man.
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A bag of Lay's. Yeah. I always did it without a bag of Lay's.
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Now supposedly Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony, they know the secret. Now I felt like I was
on a Goonies there for a minute. Okay, so now we're going to have to figure out.
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Now I'm going to have to totally look that up. Lay's Potato Chips. See? Hmm.
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I will say Flonase is like performance enhancing drugs for singers. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Especially the hot summer months and the pollen is high in the whole bit. A couple of shots in
each nostril in the morning. Yeah.
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Once a day, you know, and then after the humidity and everything goes away, you can stop
doing it because you don't need to do it year round. But during the summer months, it helps
clear everything out. Good to know.
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Yeah, absolutely. Advil cold and sinus for the drummers out there. Yeah.
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That's what keeps me going. And whiskey. And whiskey.
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All that too. But if I take both of those, the BPM is going way up. Yeah.
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I mean, it's cranking. And Steve will look back and he'll go, slow down there, buddy. That's why
it's good I'm locked to the mic most of the time because, you know, my rear view eyes are
getting a workout.
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I look at them and what are you doing back there? What's going on? So you obviously have to
be classically trained. I am. You are.
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Yeah. When did that start? Because that always fascinates me. I mean, gosh, I mean, I don't
have the patience to do that.
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Eight years, sometime in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah.
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Into the early 2000s. Is that what you wanted to do? You know, I'm like, oh, I wonder if I could
sing opera. And I met this guy while moving his house.
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And somehow I found out he was a vocal teacher. And he said, you know, I don't have time. I
don't have room.
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And then I called him a year later. He said, oh, all right, come out. Eight years later, I figured I
was probably good.
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So you trained for eight years? Yes. You know, just private lessons. Private lessons.
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Yeah. Right. Right.
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And did you ever perform? You know, like choruses and things like that. Yeah. You know, like in
operas.
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You know, like local stuff. I sang in the National Anthem. Right.
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Right. A handful of times. So that's kind of, you know, it's kind of the same thing.
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But it's not like you started there and then migrated to a rock band. No. You know, I always
sang.
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Right. And I played bass. So people were always like, oh, we'll just get, we'll get Steve.
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Steve will sing. And if we get a singer later, we can, you know, Steve plays bass. He sings.
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Boom. There's two things. So I was always getting that phone call.
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Oh, hey, Steve. Right. We're putting something together.
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You want to show up? Sure. Okay. Why not? It's nice.
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It's nice to be. It's nice to be wanted. It's nice to be wanted.
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No, that's good. The two hardest things to find in one person. The singer and the bass player
right there.
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Yeah. Right. Yes.
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No, it is. It's a special talent and skill. There's a lot of bass players that can't sing and play at the
same time and vice versa.
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So, yeah, I'm afraid there might be something wrong with my medulla oblongata that allows
me to. Oh, there's something definitely wrong with that. Don't listen to the drummer.
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Yeah, I was going to say, you know. Yeah. You know how you know if your stage is level
because your drummer drools out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.
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Yeah, there it is. I was looking for that. Yeah.
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So what do you guys have coming up? You got the you got the Illinois State Fair. Well, so we got
Mark's wedding Saturday. Okay.
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Next weekend. We're. So that's all great.
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You didn't invite. I'm going to be at your wedding now. All right.
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And we're forced to get this online. That just said to people. But in-laws do.
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These dates are all great. But today just happens to be August 27th. Oh, yeah.
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What do you have going? Yeah. So. So next weekend, we've got we're playing for a auto
dealership out in Indiana for their 50th wedding anniversary, 50th anniversary or something
like that.
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And then the next day, the next day, we played this gig for about the last 10 years, too. We play
for this horse rescue benefit in Maple Park. They basically they take in racehorses and stuff.
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It's kind of cool. We've been there a bunch of time. Then after that, we've got a homeowner's
association picnic in Warrenville and the state fair.
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Then getting down to late August. And actually, then we're taking a couple weeks off because
Steve's going to Alaska. Well, goodbye.
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Nice. And then doing some fishing. No, we're doing the cruise.
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Oh, OK. I'm really loud. No, not at all.
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No, no. You're fine. Yeah.
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And then we come back and we've got a real cool bar down in the Illinois River. Boondocks.
We're playing there.
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Been there many times. We're playing up at Diamond Gyms in East Dundee. Right.
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Man, you guys get around. Yeah, we do. Yeah.
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Wherever the gigs are. We go to Iowa. We go to Wisconsin.
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We could get into Michigan next year. And we're all over. We'll travel anywhere to play.
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We almost ended up in Kentucky, but they had the floods down there. Going back to the
original, one of our original members of the band, when him and his wife moved down there,
they were going to have us come down and him and his wife were going to join us back up on
stage. Yeah.
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Oh, nice. Yeah. But then they had the floods.
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Yeah, it was some kind of town festival or something. Right, right, right. We want to do that
thing where you go to Florida and you basically play like a Saturday, Sunday, and then you play
like that Wednesday and you play another Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and it pays for your
whole trip around to Florida.
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Yeah, right, right. And play, you know, Orlando or Naples, wherever. It would be a cool thing to
do.
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Or Vegas. Yeah. I got a buddy that works at Vant in Vegas, so he said he can get us out there for
a couple of nights.
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I'm like, okay, we're nobody big, but we'd open up for people. Yeah, why not? So this indicates
to me that there's no ankle bracelets in this group. No, there's not.
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Not lately. Not lately. Steve's got a lot of experience with it, though.
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With removing them? No, Steve's a nurse. He worked at one of the county jails for a long time. I
worked in corrections.
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Oh. Oh. Okay.
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So he's an opera singer. He works in corrections at the county jail and the whole bit. Wow.
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He's a regular Renaissance man. He is. He is.
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He gets around. He's an onion. Yeah.
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So if people want to see you guys at these places that you play, how can they find you? You
have to have a social media presence. We do. We have a Facebook page.
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Facebook slash Outpatients. It's spelled like Out of Patients as opposed to the hospital Out of
Patients. We've got a website, Outpatients.com. We've got videos in our calendar and whatnot
on there.
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And on YouTube as well. And we have a YouTube channel. Yeah.
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YouTube slash Outpatients Band. Are you going to tell the YouTube story? Maybe you shouldn't.
Uh-oh.
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Well. Oh, no. Oh, no.
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Now he brings it up. No. Now you have to.
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All right. So they had to take a class. I did.
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Uh-oh. Oh. You want me to tell a story? A sensitivity class? Not Ray the Roadie there.
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Not talking about me. Wait a minute. Wait.
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So is this something that was YouTube imposed? It was. Yeah. So if you want to be on our
website ever again, you need to take this class.
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It's pretty much what they said. It's pretty much what they said. Wow.
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So if you guys. It's not like we get thousands of views on any of our videos, right? I mean. You
know.
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We had that Run Like Hell video on Facebook just came up to like 500 and some views. I was
like, wow. After three or four days.
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That was incredible for us. Right. Right.
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So anyway. So we were out playing out at this bar in. Batavia.
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Yeah. And this is when Mark and Miriam were in the band. And Miriam is a really good
harmonica player.
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And we were doing super tranks. Take the long way home. Right.
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Right. Great harps. You know.
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And I'm playing the piano. And we got a really nice video of it. So I posted it on YouTube and I
don't know how many views it got.
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But it didn't take long. I got an email from YouTube saying. It was over like a thousand or
something.
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Two thousand videos. Like within a couple of hours. Two thousand times.
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And it got shared like four thousand. It was. It was.
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It was a good version. It was really good. And I got a copyright.
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And apparently the copyright holder pitched a bitch. And I got a copyright infringement strike.
And it was either take a class or be thrown off YouTube.
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So I had to take an online YouTube class on how to respect copyrights. Now did you. Now did
you post it.
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You have a YouTube channel. That's right. So that's the difference.
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I guess. I mean we've never monetized anything. It's not.
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You know. You can. I mean every time we have somebody here in the studio.
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I search for the band to find out what they're about. And there's videos of everybody on
YouTube. And you're all.
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It's all cover bands. Right. But you're the only one I've ever heard of where they're like.
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Nope. I've never. I've never heard anybody getting that done either.
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But I don't know what happened. I mean it's not like we're. Our or something like that that are
playing like perfect renditions of some of those journey songs and stuff.
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They don't even get that stuff. Right. And there you got millions of views.
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That's what I'm confused about. And here out of the blue. Outpatients.
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The middle of Samanach, Illinois. Yeah. You know.
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And we're getting hammered. But I'm confused. I mean, maybe it was a question.
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It was really quick or something like that. It was a lot of views. And it got shared.
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In a short period of time. And we're like, what? That's crazy. This is crazy.
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Probably felt pretty good that we had something special. We're playing some patio at some bar
in Batavia. And the next thing you know, he's got to take a YouTube and copyright.
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And this was what song? Take the Long Way Home. Supertramp. Now I'm going to have to go
and look for it.
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Because I'm wondering if it said something like take the long way home by Outpatients. No.
And I almost.
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If you look at. Because I'm the guy to post them all. I mean, I always put down.
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Hey, we're covering this great song by whomever. Right? Yeah. Right.
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And yeah. I never, never try to. So what was it? So what was the answer? What? What did you
have to stop doing in order to be considered OK? I had to take that class.
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They took the video. Yeah. But.
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But. But you've posted videos since then. Oh, a lot of them.
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Yeah. OK. So what did.
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What have you done differently? Nothing. Nothing. We're trying to recreate it.
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I don't. I don't know. We're trying to do it again.
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I don't know if it was just because it took off. I mean, again, I mean, it's not like we've got
millions of views. I mean, it's a few thousand.
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Yeah. I think it was a couple thousand. And it got shared a lot.
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And again, we weren't. We don't try to. They even ask, you know, you're monetizing this.
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We never tried to, you know. Yeah. Get ads or anything on our.
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You know, I put videos up so that when somebody inquires about us for a gig that I can point
them there and said, hey, go to my YouTube channel. Check it out. And go see.
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And again, if you looked at it, you know, we've got videos out there from 15 years ago that are
pretty crappy and some that are, you know, for recent, they're a little better. So now we have a
whole other podcast going on now because I need to know, OK, how long was the class? It was
it was a couple hours. I don't know.
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I don't recall. It was what it was. It was several years ago.
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It was a couple hours. And and they went all over the legal stuff about copyright and
everything. Yep.
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That's that is. Yeah. I told you about how to get licensing.
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And, you know, I mean, it was just crazy. And it was an ad. Yeah, it was.
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I was. They and they took the video down. I mean, it was it was.
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I mean, I do years. We still have it somewhere. He can send it to you.
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Oh, yeah. Tonight, 20 years ago, the cover band I was in, we decided we wanted to put out a
demo CD. So, you know, I went and I did all that.
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Right. You know, we went and got the published mechanical rights to the songs and all that
stuff. And, you know, so I mean, I kind of understand the concept.
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Right. Right. I think, you know, hey, we're just a stupid little cover band, like, you know, from
the cornfields of northern Illinois.
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Right. Right. Or, you know, posting posting videos from some bar gig.
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And all of a sudden I get the copyright police after me. The only thing I can think of is like if you
were to if you were to go and Google right now something like how to play Little Red Corvette
by Prince. Right.
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The Prince estate has it set up where you people you can't do that. You know, like there's what
is it? I forgot the name of the guitar website. Like Ultimate Guitar.
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Like Ultimate Guitar. You won't find any Prince songs on Ultimate Guitar. You won't find any
Prince songs on YouTube.
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You won't find anything on YouTube of people showing you how to play, you know, Prince
songs of it is the minute you put that up there, they take that stuff down. I'm wondering if
Supertramp has some type of a deal like that with you. I've heard about that with the Eagles.
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I've heard the Eagles are really brutal about people posting videos with either covering their
songs or using their songs as background music. And like, you know, my family, my family
movie or something. Yeah.
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Like had you done that with a Van Halen song? There would have been no problem. But
because you did it with a Supertramp song and YouTube has been informed. You can't post
anything from Supertramp.
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Now you're taking a class because Supertramp is assholes. That's my guess. I don't know that
for sure.
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I mean, I know when I go look at my videos on YouTube, you know, and the creator view of it,
you know, it shows you whether there's a copyright claim or not on it. And, you know, 90% of
what I posted has a copyright claim on it, you know, because of the cover size. There's a few
that are some medleys and stuff that they, you know, that just haven't been able to pick up.
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Those are, you know, we slapped together three or four songs or did a compilation of 10 songs
from some show that we did with 30 second snippets of them. Well, that's too bad because I
love Supertramp. We were doing a gig just a few years ago in Yorkville and the sound guy came
up to us after we took a break and we'd just done that.
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I think it was our last song. And he comes and says, you guys should be a Supertramp tribute
band. Now that's the only Supertramp song we've ever played.
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Well, you've got to do Goodbye Stranger. Yeah. Stop giving them ideas.
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That's a good one. I got 20 songs in the queue for next song. Nobody, nobody covers that song.
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I have not heard a cover band ever do that song, mainly because most people don't have the
voices to do that song. He does. Yeah.
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Yeah. We'll be playing it by Saturday. If you, I'll tell you what, if you can be playing that song by
Saturday, you're better musicians than I am because that's not an easy song.
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Goodbye Stranger. Get a number. He doesn't go though.
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So yeah. And he does Fleawood Mac too. That's right.
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Yeah. I'm Stevie Nicks. All right.
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I see the resemblance. They're not that hot. Yeah.
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Maybe, maybe today. And Christie, I'm sorry, but you're not around it. Yeah.
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Well, hey fellas, I'll tell you what. It was great talking to you guys. Yeah.
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Nice to get to know all you guys. You guys, you guys seem like you have a lot of fun on stage.
So yeah.
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Oh, we do. Now that he's in the band. Oh my God.
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It was crazy just between me and him. Yeah. One of the other band members, I used to throw
sticks at him because he would just go all over the place.
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And then this guy. Now I'm going to run out of sticks. I'm not even going to have anything to
play with because they're all going to be on the front of the stage.
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There's some weird South side thing going on. There is. Over by there.
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Yeah. He keeps throwing sticks, but we can't find them. I don't know where they're going.
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I still can't find my drum kit. He was in the army. He was an engineer, Sapper.
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And I said, Hey, Sapper five, which I thought was hilarious because I took Semper Fi and
Sapper. And he poked me in my middle rib cage area. I almost broke that rib.
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Hurts. We have a lot of fun. We do.
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We have a great time. Mark doesn't think I enjoy playing at all. I think 75 of his personalities
really enjoy it.
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75 of his personalities. Perfect. That's why I play.
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So my hands don't do crazy stuff while I'm singing. Well, if I ever have a night off, I'd like to. I'd
like to come out.
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We'd love to have you guys. See all 70, 80 of you guys. We all have multiple personalities.
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Alrighty, guys. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Bye. You